Received: from mail-ie0-f184.google.com ([209.85.223.184]:53687) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Xoehf-0007Ch-Me for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 12:39:49 -0800 Received: by mail-ie0-f184.google.com with SMTP id tr6sf2062200ieb.11 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 12:39:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=MmQrnZIMsF7rqzWG1yTDlKjzwo+ZdYCfMEmIX2VnFaw=; b=HmioCLp0ifa79g87bZVnrItP4t1bVkI8nRXAFKtVGxt7gBilfk3pDS4vPoAIaZd99Z UBs4AVsz5Ai2PsVK0tk6161Xv6hUDWwStq9LdtLaJH3mYpBQVZNoPvp5bnYu1H4yOxnF 728e/d/T5uBGJ3xq/goOxb1yf8iitwq5OSlRBb+WX+fEJlStGOJqxYQn4Pl2Q8lyoPFy LOpvwDbhEIJpqPiIt+e63Ie6fPBFISA/iiES948NL64ELxjWWnc6PWZgp3gCk1At3h2X 8Pr6HnAEkjsKl1ROTXq5ndm7t/aImjo9WKcfY2Fyj6+GJlqETHSMWXA3+H83p6qP7iEq G1eg== X-Received: by 10.140.102.117 with SMTP id v108mr32335qge.36.1415824781630; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 12:39:41 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.95.50 with SMTP id h47ls807060qge.41.gmail; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 12:39:41 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.0.231 with SMTP id 67mr38037248yhb.8.1415824781375; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 12:39:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qc0-x231.google.com (mail-qc0-x231.google.com. [2607:f8b0:400d:c01::231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id kb8si5799212qcb.1.2014.11.12.12.39.41 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 12 Nov 2014 12:39:41 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c01::231 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c01::231; Received: by mail-qc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id l6so10008911qcy.22 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 12:39:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.129.133 with SMTP id o5mr1973582qas.104.1415824781266; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 12:39:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.89.229 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 12:39:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <028332cf-3cd5-4ffe-b6be-4a44f48f5f38@googlegroups.com> <20141112191200.GA13899@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <3530e7a0-07d7-4422-8578-f15a1a30b0b7@googlegroups.com> <0502e7ec-3265-4493-8edc-770d86aa964d@googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 15:39:41 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Justifying a command From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c01::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2cb0826d73b0507af656f X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c2cb0826d73b0507af656f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Still another approach with somewhat different semantics is {.i ko zukte lo ka ce'u pinxe lo ladru kei lo nu do binxo lo ka tsali} Here you are insisting that they drink their milk and also that they have the act of becoming strong as a goal in drinking their milk. mi'e la latro'a mu'o On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > A rather verbose approach which avoids the issue of {ko} scope entirely: > > .i mi minde do lo ka ce'u pinxe lo ladru kei mu'i lo nu mi djica lo nu do > binxo lo ka tsali [kei kei noi lo nu pinxe cu rinka ke'a] > > mi'e la latro'a mu'o > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --001a11c2cb0826d73b0507af656f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Still another approach with somewhat different semant= ics is

{.i ko zukte lo ka ce'u pinxe lo ladru kei lo nu do= binxo lo ka tsali}

Here you are insisting that they drink their mil= k and also that they have the act of becoming strong as a goal in drinking = their milk.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 3:37 PM= , Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
A rather verbose approach wh= ich avoids the issue of {ko} scope entirely:

.i mi minde do lo ka ce= 'u pinxe lo ladru kei mu'i lo nu mi djica lo nu do binxo lo ka tsal= i [kei kei noi lo nu pinxe cu rinka ke'a]

mi'e la latr= o'a mu'o

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