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[2607:f8b0:400d:c00::234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id lu9si3242893qcb.0.2014.11.13.05.31.34 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 13 Nov 2014 05:31:34 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c00::234; Received: by mail-qa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id u7so10180526qaz.11 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 05:31:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.90.111 with SMTP id w102mr3086660qgd.88.1415885493942; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 05:31:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.89.229 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 05:31:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <028332cf-3cd5-4ffe-b6be-4a44f48f5f38@googlegroups.com> <20141112191200.GA13899@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <3530e7a0-07d7-4422-8578-f15a1a30b0b7@googlegroups.com> <0502e7ec-3265-4493-8edc-770d86aa964d@googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 08:31:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Justifying a command From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c11a06e8c84d0507bd87be X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c11a06e8c84d0507bd87be Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 That's too much polymorphism for me. I think it is pretty important to know what interface to use when I'm dealing with {lo te zukte}. mi'e la latro'a mu'o On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 1:22 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > > 2014-11-12 23:39 GMT+03:00 Ian Johnson : > >> Still another approach with somewhat different semantics is >> >> {.i ko zukte lo ka ce'u pinxe lo ladru kei lo nu do binxo lo ka tsali} >> > > If {ka} in zukte3 is assumed to again reference zukte1 then > {i ko zukte lo ka pinxe lo ladru vau lo ka co'a tsali} > is not that verbose. > > >> Here you are insisting that they drink their milk and also that they have >> the act of becoming strong as a goal in drinking their milk. >> >> mi'e la latro'a mu'o >> >> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Ian Johnson >> wrote: >> >>> A rather verbose approach which avoids the issue of {ko} scope entirely: >>> >>> .i mi minde do lo ka ce'u pinxe lo ladru kei mu'i lo nu mi djica lo nu >>> do binxo lo ka tsali [kei kei noi lo nu pinxe cu rinka ke'a] >>> >>> mi'e la latro'a mu'o >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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That's too much polymorphism for me. I think it is pre= tty important to know what interface to use when I'm dealing with {lo t= e zukte}.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 1:22 AM, = Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>


2014-11-12 23:39 GMT= +03:00 Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>:
Still another approach with s= omewhat different semantics is

{.i ko zukte lo ka ce'u pin= xe lo ladru kei lo nu do binxo lo ka tsali}

=
If {ka} in zukte3 is assumed to again reference zukte1 th= en
{i ko zukte lo ka pinxe lo ladru vau lo ka co'a tsali}
is not that verbose.


Here you are insisting that they = drink their milk and also that they have the act of becoming strong as a go= al in drinking their milk.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o
=
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Ian Johnson= <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
A rather verbose approach which avoids = the issue of {ko} scope entirely:

.i mi minde do lo ka ce'u pinx= e lo ladru kei mu'i lo nu mi djica lo nu do binxo lo ka tsali [kei kei = noi lo nu pinxe cu rinka ke'a]

mi'e la latro'a mu&= #39;o

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