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[212.227.15.18]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ed6si787784wib.3.2014.11.18.04.25.35 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 18 Nov 2014 04:25:35 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.15.18; Received: from [192.168.2.118] ([93.220.104.141]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MPE7E-1Xv5Ys2IzI-004RTm for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 13:25:34 +0100 Message-ID: <546B3AC5.4030000@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 13:25:41 +0100 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] {zu'enai}. meaning References: In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:D+RDnC/STSWsk4ORVxrrt1LO51ZBJPCpruWtTb8+eWt7atisz3w idYgMXcJO/u0BcxFeu5wXgqxpVmU6QdekNhztT2LPyPWgssiZjMPAlVZRIoXtQVHZxx1eiq vkd/a32b6KYzB63+B03FhF+2RYyPcz2cXUJB3zfxIUzP+h//DQg1R+S84jPexC/vCcG46nx M3jaz5ohmzW8pxjIZWK0A== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - la gleki cu cusku di'e > Accepted by the off. grammar what does {zu'enai} mean? > > If zukte2 always refers to the action/free will of zukte1 then {zu'e mi > viska ko'a} is expanded into {mi zukte lo nu mi viska ko'a}. ie ru'e .i ku'i ma viska .i .e'u cusku =C2=ABlu zu'e mi mi viska ko'a li'u= =C2=BB > Okay, if this is fine then we have > {zu'e mi viska ko'a} =3D I intentionally (via a free will) see ko'a. > It's somewhat similar to "I watch" but not in the sense of {catlu} which > is more about "to look (ptobably, not limited to vision)". > > However, the antonym of {zukte lo ka viska} is something like "to catch > the eye/eye-catching". > {zu'enai mi viska ko'a} =3D Something caught my eye. ie .i ku'i ke'u .e'u cusku =C2=ABlu mi viska ko'a zu'e nai mi li'u=C2=BB .i= mi=20 stidi ki'u lo nu lo simsa be =C2=ABlu do viska mi zu'e nai mi li'u=C2=BB ji= 'a jai=20 cumki .i ta'o nai -- > Is it really so? Because if {zu'enai} =3D {fi'o na zukte} then it expands > into {mi na zukte lo ka viska ko'a} which doesn't state whether I saw > ko'a or not. li'a zo fi'o zmadu lo jetnu sumtcita lo ka smuvrici .i ku'i ie =C2=ABlu na= =20 zukte li'u=C2=BB mapti .i ji'a ie lo du'u na zukte lo ka viska cu nibli na = je=20 nai natfe lo du'u viska .i ku'i pe'i so'e nu zi'o pilno zo zu'e cu simsa=20 di'e mi viska ko'a zu'e mi -> lo ka viska ko'a cu se ckaji mi gi'e se=20 zukte mi mi viska ko'a zu'e nai mi -> lo ka viska ko'a cu se ckaji mi gi'e=20 na se zukte mi .i milxe lo ka simsa lo drata sumtcita .i mu'a =C2=ABlu broda mu'i nai ko'a= =20 li'u=C2=BB simsa ja dunli =C2=ABlu lo nu broda cu fasnu gi'e na se mukti ko= 'a li'u=C2=BB mi'e la selpa'i mu'o --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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