Received: from mail-wg0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]:65398) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XsBSL-0005wJ-97 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 06:14:34 -0800 Received: by mail-wg0-f61.google.com with SMTP id n12sf596021wgh.16 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 06:14:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=f0pylD6N6WrEZxO+ODm6br3pFsEmOqvkCemFTWnAfBA=; b=eqx/0gJ1dEFgEEuzLUpyRa62xcFsmatmPGQWdZOoEHE/LK8VOY53vwzUq0JRCxz+bt 5smFycRL8pZ/r/73CPLBPLiur41BVdOMErt2uEf4g0LA7kzC8i7mVQ96pjLPByqkNUXK /Ygm7HxP+IjWBeFFi8DHWcIWtqhPBaUd8Fp1mo07jAqCD77HcBbTTj3YyvuDMi9Lh8Hn gV0j24FANk6dSvnwIDY0c0fJ0Bf5JquArENr6bFAyDiK2AnqRx3WHsC0cH+/jHVi2dGo ILnWfibSJx8n2RPmpoLP17LttNxUvLlo1m9DOA1Wfz7WfpHrsyjbYbtMh8x4GORxfEzk negg== X-Received: by 10.180.9.163 with SMTP id a3mr17544wib.1.1416665666537; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 06:14:26 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.107.70 with SMTP id ha6ls126042wib.51.gmail; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 06:14:26 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.194.71.19 with SMTP id q19mr3383084wju.5.1416665666052; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 06:14:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-la0-x236.google.com (mail-la0-x236.google.com. [2a00:1450:4010:c03::236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id sg7si936813lbb.1.2014.11.22.06.14.26 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 22 Nov 2014 06:14:26 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::236 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c03::236; Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id gf13so5732331lab.13 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 06:14:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.21.9 with SMTP id r9mr10933961lae.76.1416665665923; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 06:14:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.70.111 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 06:14:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <84be020a-c3a4-4a1a-8171-b0fd56f07a38@googlegroups.com> References: <20140419165418.GA9151@samsa.fritz.box> <7525087b-c8fd-48aa-950f-af12d173e010@googlegroups.com> <84be020a-c3a4-4a1a-8171-b0fd56f07a38@googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 11:14:25 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] ti'enai From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013d2024c8735e0508732dc8 X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --089e013d2024c8735e0508732dc8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 9:56 AM, la .gusek. wrote: > Interesting! How would you say this differs from "za'a la .djan. pu cinba > la .alis."? > The gloss for "za'a" suggests that the evidence for the claim is present. So "za'a" could be a combination of "ti'e nai" (first-hand evidence) with "ba'a cu'i" (evidence in the present). mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --089e013d2024c8735e0508732dc8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 9:56 AM, la .gusek. <gunnar_secret@hot= mail.com> wrote:
Interesting! How would you say this differs from "za'a la= .djan. pu cinba la .alis."?

The= gloss for "za'a" suggests that the evidence for the claim is= present. So "za'a" could be a combination of "ti'e = nai" (first-hand evidence) with "ba'a cu'i" (evidenc= e in the present).

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