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[192.94.73.24]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k9si1188651pdo.0.2014.11.22.17.02.15 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:02:15 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: none (google.com: mbays@sdf.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=192.94.73.24; Received: from thegonz.net (d24-141-9-29.home.cgocable.net [24.141.9.29]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.8/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sAN11u92019829 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO) for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 01:01:57 GMT Received: from martin by thegonz.net with local (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XsLYr-0005bX-7C for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 20:01:57 -0500 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 20:01:57 -0500 From: Martin Bays To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: tersmu 0.2 Message-ID: <20141123010156.GJ24136@gonzales> References: <20141109215830.GB30874@gonzales> <20141112033820.GD15728@gonzales> <20141113021901.GM15728@gonzales> <20141118025013.GB7769@gonzales> <20141120023048.GA1571@gonzales> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mXDO3udm/xYWQeMQ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://mbays.freeshell.org/pubkey.asc X-PGP-KeyId: B5FB2CD6 X-cunselcu'a-valsi: bukpu User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.22 (2013-10-16) X-Original-Sender: mbays@sdf.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=none (google.com: mbays@sdf.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=mbays@sdf.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --mXDO3udm/xYWQeMQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Thursday, 2014-11-20 at 18:50 -0300 - Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Martin Bays wrote: >=20 > > > > So I guess this kind of reasoning would have {broda .i je nai ca bo > > > > brodo} mean something like "broda occurs, but broda never occurs > > > > simultaneously with brodo"? Whereas I would have expected it to mea= n > > > > something more like "broda occurs some time when brodo doesn't". >=20 > > I think the english is ambiguous there. To disambiguate: do you mean > > this to imply that broda does not occur simultaneously with brodo? >=20 > Yes, or rather that brodo does not occur simultaneoulsy with broda, if it > makes any difference. There's nothing said about whether or not brodo > occurs at some other time. So for example, if yesterday morning it snowed out of a clear sky, but in the afternoon it snowed while the sky was cloudy, and both of these events are salient, what could you say about the truth value of {ca lo prulamdei zo'u lo snime cu carvi .i je nai ca bo lo dilnu cu gapru}? I am understanding you as saying it would be false, while I would have expected it to be true. Martin --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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