Received: from mail-yk0-f183.google.com ([209.85.160.183]:59582) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Xsuuh-0002oC-NC for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 06:46:59 -0800 Received: by mail-yk0-f183.google.com with SMTP id q200sf1458434ykb.10 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 06:46:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=cBhQiGZT2Fs9tl1Y8IplhDs22+I65ZpxkGwPfNN6wHc=; b=mxcnxhtmGZ8G5qMOEzaI3O9PqV1RIEHXAkRq4Z8moZiRHtsGvdvnH6jfK4lyosVwDX NGBzy/2pj+zjxdmcUEeNrtN6j9r7A6YZyQs5+ZPw6pO9DsXJJSfxnqKDSXtPGjcP9LGV Ww/ULXr2PHO3XYvyX9EbF9IYGBpd5BQ6kEcgR8LRXchwW74OiWXDlUzS2OlbPOmk3QZL 67zCF6UER5j8zYiZw0lBzAjoE1Noz/+Gk8Me8HLQ8IgeWpgI/YWOt/2vHPY9fgH9ubYq hIypLRjKBfhFyTwHrkNUR1WxXlbyregMAzrINlgEfrJm5mY1L7fdDWSVG05iKCrH1fNT 19tg== X-Received: by 10.140.108.161 with SMTP id j30mr1237qgf.42.1416840401035; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 06:46:41 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.106.100 with SMTP id d91ls1936223qgf.50.gmail; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 06:46:40 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.40.20 with SMTP id w20mr375920qgw.2.1416840400796; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 06:46:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 06:46:40 -0800 (PST) From: "la .gusek." To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: Subject: [lojban] Let's create a word: pseudo-paralysis/situational paralysis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_2811_1065526698.1416840400258" X-Original-Sender: gunnar_secret@hotmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.0 X-Spam_score_int: -9 X-Spam_bar: - ------=_Part_2811_1065526698.1416840400258 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2812_441080953.1416840400259" ------=_Part_2812_441080953.1416840400259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay, so here's a conundrum to think about again! I created the word narslutroka'e (na sluji jitro kakne) this Saturday=20 since, to my surprise, paralysation wasn't defined before (also I got=20 inspired by Wuzzy's creation of a line of related words: blind, deaf,=20 anosmia, ageusia etc.): *narslutroka'e:* x1=3Dk1=3Dj1 is unable to move/paralyzed in body-part=20 x2=3Dk2=3Dj2=3Ds2, under conditions x3=3Dk3=3Dj3 *notes:* Transient or permanent (but not pseudo-)paralysis (see=20 sipyjitri'ufri for sleep paralysis). Cf. narte'ugaska'e, narviska'e,=20 nartinka'e, narvu'igaska'e, narsumnyka'e, narka'e. Pseudo-paralysis is related but in truth another phenomenon, namely not an= =20 inability to move but a volitional inhibition of motion. To quote Wikipedia= : > Pseudoparalysis (pseudo- meaning "false, not genuine", from Greek=20 > =CF=88=CE=B5=E1=BF=A6=CE=B4=CE=BF=CF=82[6]) is voluntary restriction or i= nhibition of motion because of=20 > pain, incoordination, orgasm, or other cause, and is not due to actual=20 > muscular paralysis. In an infant, it may be a symptom of congenital=20 > syphilis. > I was going to ignore it for now, until I checked Tatoeba and realized=20 something that should have been obvious to me: http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/search?query=3Dparalyzed&from=3Deng&to=3Du= nd There's a lot of sentences of the sort "paralyzed by fear", "paralyzed with= =20 amazement", "paralyzed upon seeing" etc. (and metaphorical constructs like= =20 "flood paralyzed local transportation"). These are maybe not "pure"=20 variants of "pseudo-paralysis" but still related to the concept more than= =20 ordinary (non-pseudo) paralysation. Since kakne denotes an innate capability, it doesn't really seem right to= =20 use narslutroka'e for translations of situations where fear paralyzes=20 someone or where pain makes someone inhibit their own movement (for=20 metaphorical constructs it doesn't matter as much, just append a pe'a).=20 Also of course, the problem isn't a true lack of muscle-control but an=20 unwillingness/strong emotional hinder/forgetfulness to do so. So would you create a word for these usages, and how would you go with it? --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_2812_441080953.1416840400259 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Okay, so here's a conundrum to think about again!

I= created the word narsl= utroka'e (na sluji jitro kakne) this Saturday since, to my surprise,= paralysation wasn't defined before (also I got inspired by Wuzzy's creatio= n of a line of related words: blind, deaf, anosmia, ageusia etc.):
narslutr= oka'e: x1=3Dk1=3Dj1 is unable to move/paralyzed in body-part x2=3Dk2=3D= j2=3Ds2, under conditions x3=3Dk3=3Dj3
notes: Transient or perman= ent (but not pseudo-)paralysis (see sipyjitri'ufri for sleep paralysis). Cf= . narte'ugaska'e, narviska'e, nartinka'e, narvu'igaska'e, narsumnyka'e, nar= ka'e.

Pseudo-paralysi= s is related but in truth another phenomenon, namely not an inability to mo= ve but a volitional inhibition of motion. To quote Wikipedia:
Pseudoparalysis (pseudo- meaning "false= , not genuine", from Greek =CF=88=CE=B5=E1=BF=A6=CE=B4=CE=BF=CF=82[6]) is v= oluntary restriction or inhibition of motion because of pain, incoordinatio= n, orgasm, or other cause, and is not due to actual muscular paralysis. In = an infant, it may be a symptom of congenital syphilis.=

I was going to ignore it for now, until I checked= Tatoeba and realized something that should have been obvious to me:
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/search?query=3Dparaly= zed&from=3Deng&to=3Dund

There's a lot of sentences of th= e sort "paralyzed by fear", "paralyzed with amazement", "paralyzed upon see= ing" etc. (and metaphorical constructs like "flood paralyzed local transpor= tation"). These are maybe not "pure" variants of "pseudo-paralysis" but sti= ll related to the concept more than ordinary (non-pseudo) paralysation.
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Since kakne = denotes an innate capability, it doesn't really seem right to use narslutroka'e for transla= tions of situations where fear paralyzes someone or where pain makes someon= e inhibit their own movement (for metaphorical constructs it doesn't matter= as much, just append a pe'a). Also of course, the problem isn't a true lack of muscle-cont= rol but an unwillingness/strong emotional hinder/forgetfulness to do so.
So would you create a word for these usages, and how would you go with= it?

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