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so what is the current understanding of {vi} vs. {ne'a}?
{ne'a} can be applied to objects extending from 0 till some short distance
whereas
{vi} specifies that the object is separated by that short distance?


On Friday, April 20, 2001 12:48:50 PM UTC+4, Jorge Llambias wrote:
>
>
> la adam cusku di'e
>
> >I think that ZI is supposed to be parallel to VA, so "co'e za ko'a",
> >would happen at a medium time from "ko'a", just as something like
> >"citka va le panka" happens a medium distance from the park.
>
> That is the official line, yes.
>
> >OTOH, "za
> >lo djedi be li re" has a time interval and not an event tagged, so
> >maybe it could mean "2 days ago/hence", but I think that that would
> >mean that "cadzu va lo mitre be li mu" would mean "walk(s) (at a
> >place) 5 meters away."
>
> Exactly right. I use ZI and VA to tag the actual displacement
> of the action, and PU and FAhA to tag the direction from the
> reference point. So I would say {citka ne'a le panka} to
> indicate some proximity to the park.
>
> >I suppose it would work, but having 2 meanings
> >for VA/ZI seems like it might be slightly un-lojbanic.
>
> I use only one of the meanings. It is unfortunate that the
> other one was officialized, but it is very useful to have
> a simple way of saying "such and such a time ago/hence" or
> "such and such a distance away". The reference point can
> already be marked with PU/FAhA, so it is a waste to also
> use ZI/VA for that and be left with no simple way to mark
> the amount of displacement.
>
> co'o mi'e xorxes
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<div dir=3D"ltr">so what is the current understanding of {vi} vs. {ne'a}?<d=
iv>{ne'a} can be applied to objects extending from 0 till some short distan=
ce</div><div>whereas</div><div>{vi} specifies that the object is separated =
by that short distance?</div><div><br><br>On Friday, April 20, 2001 12:48:5=
0 PM UTC+4, Jorge Llambias wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex=
;"><br>la adam cusku di'e<p>&gt;I think that ZI is supposed to be parallel =
to VA, so "co'e za ko'a",<br>&gt;would happen at a medium time from "ko'a",=
 just as something like<br>&gt;"citka va le panka" happens a medium distanc=
e from the park.</p><p>That is the official line, yes.</p><p>&gt;OTOH, "za<=
br>&gt;lo djedi be li re" has a time interval and not an event tagged, so<b=
r>&gt;maybe it could mean "2 days ago/hence", but I think that that would<b=
r>&gt;mean that "cadzu va lo mitre be li mu" would mean "walk(s) (at a<br>&=
gt;place) 5 meters away."</p><p>Exactly right. I use ZI and VA to tag the a=
ctual displacement<br>of the action, and PU and FAhA to tag the direction f=
rom the<br>reference point. So I would say {citka ne'a le panka} to<br>indi=
cate some proximity to the park.</p><p>&gt;I suppose it would work, but hav=
ing 2 meanings<br>&gt;for VA/ZI seems like it might be slightly un-lojbanic=
.</p><p>I use only one of the meanings. It is unfortunate that the<br>other=
 one was officialized, but it is very useful to have<br>a simple way of say=
ing "such and such a time ago/hence" or<br>"such and such a distance away".=
 The reference point can<br>already be marked with PU/FAhA, so it is a wast=
e to also<br>use ZI/VA for that and be left with no simple way to mark<br>t=
he amount of displacement.</p><p>co'o mi'e xorxes</p><p>___________________=
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