Received: from mail-ob0-f183.google.com ([209.85.214.183]:55992) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Xxjl8-0007Gy-HL for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 13:52:56 -0800 Received: by mail-ob0-f183.google.com with SMTP id vb8sf618782obc.20 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 13:52:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=gI+LC6MdZtbMtpnFWQRNKR6TZ89ZlGrNL19y7SbupDo=; b=hKiFccR2jkl0Yb+t1uX6DthN/AVweRpRlTISqsgmpGYIW4srFKGLdVHYtlw6Q2OJjf cFDVdUmMHxY6E+Z4Ci5OYv53GOSAlC+O28OTUqppCIehtvTc6j0eAoJhkG+/eobFL7XK NTsBT4GST49tdLUlzxwU+qcJdyHP8wH5H6EOFxJ//WlLouH1M7lZSI9QmGGInCd987lE dhvHj4V4DPfYQFISwFrMB01ujGCSuQBxW/uakxtKVjdHxasH2lKPSwMg1u/VmIOzzlst 8+MWpBqc22L9vkgQwAmZaDG0O86Lu9rjaeFdCEaq0juGf57znr8VIoE1BuwSYpouXXy8 bE+Q== X-Received: by 10.182.252.232 with SMTP id zv8mr115obc.37.1417989168432; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 13:52:48 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.125.100 with SMTP id mp4ls783149obb.19.gmail; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 13:52:48 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.182.61.66 with SMTP id n2mr25152105obr.35.1417989167996; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 13:52:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qa0-x22b.google.com (mail-qa0-x22b.google.com. [2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jw4si5570428qcb.3.2014.12.07.13.52.47 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 07 Dec 2014 13:52:47 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22b as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22b; Received: by mail-qa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id bm13so2630464qab.16 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 13:52:47 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.128.68 with SMTP id j4mr27348598qas.6.1417989167853; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 13:52:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.82.137 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2014 13:52:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <544D34B1.7000000@gmx.de> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 16:52:17 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban's Biggest Problem or Why Still Nobody Speaks It To: lojban@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3e0faa553110509a7548a X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c3e0faa553110509a7548a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The example offered for a long word in English is ridiculous. I doubt anyone uses it, or that it's more than a curiosity, and it's misspelled. Should be "hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia =E2=80=8B". =E2=80=8B stevo On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 1:17 PM, wrote: > 1. It's designed to combine the words to from relations. Not a lot of > words are needed because each added potential concept squares the number = of > existing ones. Any concept can be used with any other concept. All of you= r > examples do exist in lojban, and are assumed to be from the perspective o= f > the person saying it. Even so, they are terrible examples because they ha= ve > no concrete definition even in English. > 2. Those can be used with concepts. Traffic is such an abstract word it i= s > actually a horrible example. None of those terms have anything in common. > Traffic has multiple meanings and using it is like using Google Translate > to speak professionally. You will never get there. The whole idea is to > remove abstraction and you are bashing it for doing exactly that. > 3. Hippopotomonstrososequapedaliaphobia. An actual word in English. What > was that about long words again? > 4. You memorized a lot more when you learned English. What was that about > everyone being unable to learn new words? > 5. Of course they aren't derived. It's not based on a single language. > That would limit who speaks it. > 6. 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The example offered for a long word in English is ridiculous. I doub= t anyone uses it, or that it's more than a curiosity, and it's miss= pelled. Should be "hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia
=E2=80=8B".
= =E2=80=8B

= stevo

= On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 1:17 PM, <htffanofflaky@gmail.com> wrote:
1. It&#= 39;s designed to combine the words to from relations. Not a lot of words ar= e needed because each added potential concept squares the number of existin= g ones. Any concept can be used with any other concept. All of your example= s do exist in lojban, and are assumed to be from the perspective of the per= son saying it. Even so, they are terrible examples because they have no con= crete definition even in English.
2. Those can be used with conce= pts. Traffic is such an abstract word it is actually a horrible example. No= ne of those terms have anything in common. Traffic has multiple meanings an= d using it is like using Google Translate to speak professionally. You will= never get there. The whole idea is to remove abstraction and you are bashi= ng it for doing exactly that.
3. Hippopotomonstrososequapedaliaph= obia. An actual word in English. What was that about long words again?
4. You memorized a lot more when you learned English. What was that a= bout everyone being unable to learn new words?
5. Of course they = aren't derived. It's not based on a single language. That would lim= it who speaks it.
6. You didn't find the parts because you we= re too strict in looking and didn't bother to look.

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