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Subject: Re: [lojban] pronouns and translation software
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2014-12-09 5:05 GMT+03:00 <ravas@outlook.com>:

> I'm curious about what translation software is recommended to do with
> pronouns that do not have context:
>
> [She] gave it to [her].
>
> [ri] and [ko'a] have nothing to point to
> and
> [zo'e] seems too vague
>

By far the best method would be
{lo da'e fetsi pu dunda lo bi'unai dacti lo de'u fetsi}
or
{ra poi fetsi pu dunda ra poi dacti ra poi fetsi}

If there are two women it's better to mark them with letterals otherwise
it'd be too vague and relatively a useless phrase in English.
There is a proposal:
http://mw.lojban.org/lmw/%22le%22_as_an_anaphorical_particle

>
> Out of context the sentence means: [a female] gave it to [another female].
> Would [lo ninmu] be appropriate?
> How can we indicate [another female] or is it implied in {lo ninmu cu pu
> dunda zo'e lo ninmu}?
>

This one works too of course.
or shorter {lo ninmu pu dunda fi lo ninmu}


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2014-12-09 5:05 GMT+03:00  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rava=
s@outlook.com" target=3D"_blank">ravas@outlook.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-=
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g-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;m curious about what translation softwar=
e is recommended to do with pronouns that do not have context:<br><br>[She]=
 gave it to [her].<br><br>[ri] and [ko&#39;a] have nothing to point to<br>a=
nd<br>[zo&#39;e] seems too vague<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=
By far the best method would be=C2=A0</div><div>{lo da&#39;e fetsi pu dunda=
 lo bi&#39;unai dacti lo de&#39;u fetsi}</div><div>or</div><div>{ra poi fet=
si pu dunda ra poi dacti ra poi fetsi}</div><div><br></div><div>If there ar=
e two women it&#39;s better to mark them with letterals otherwise it&#39;d =
be too vague and relatively a useless phrase in English.</div><div>There is=
 a proposal:</div><div><a href=3D"http://mw.lojban.org/lmw/%22le%22_as_an_a=
naphorical_particle">http://mw.lojban.org/lmw/%22le%22_as_an_anaphorical_pa=
rticle</a><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);borde=
r-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>Out of context th=
e sentence means: [a female] gave it to [another female].<br>Would [lo ninm=
u] be appropriate? <br>How can we indicate [another female] or is it implie=
d in {lo ninmu cu pu dunda zo&#39;e lo ninmu}?<br></div></blockquote><div><=
br></div><div>This one works too of course.</div><div>or shorter {lo ninmu =
pu dunda fi lo ninmu}</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-colo=
r:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><br>:D<span class=3D""><font color=3D"#888888"><br></font></span></div><=
span class=3D""><font color=3D"#888888">

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