Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 04:56:47 -0800 (PST)
From: guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com>
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I suggest the following experimental cmavo, and I would like to ask for 
your opinion before adding it to la jbovlaste.

mai'a of selma'o MAI

Definition in English:
change version/dialect of parser

Definition in Lojban:
galfi lo namcu lo tcita be lo selsku bei lo du'u sinxa lo du'u dei te gerna 
fi lo se sinxa be ny

examples of meaning:
cylylypapi'epa mai'a (current yacc and jbofi'e 
http://www.lojban.org/jboski/ ) 
camxes.bu mai'a (current peg http://camxes.lojban.org/ )
iocixes.bu mai'a (zasni gerna of la xorxes 
https://skami2.iocikun.jp/lojban/zasniGerna , 
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/zasni+gerna )
ilmentufa burenopavopi'epapapi'erevo mai'a (ilmentufa version 2014-11-24 
http://mw.lojban.org/extensions/ilmentufa/camxes-exp.html , 
https://github.com/Ilmen-vodhr/ilmentufa )
fancylojban.bu mai'a (fancylojban http://mw.lojban.org/lmw/fancylojban , 
http://mw.lojban.org/lmw/ce_ki_tau_jau - no parser yet?)

example of usage:
camxes.bu mai'a mi jinvi lo du'u zo mai'a plixau ma'a .i .ilmentufa 
burenopavopi'epapapi'erevo mai'a zo mai'a plixau ma'a soi mi jinvi


Note:
The morphology and grammar of numbers preceding to {mai'a}, including 
"word"-bu, should conform to the current jbofi'e and yacc, so that a 
{mai'a} cluster forms a free modifier _compatible_ with every 
version/dialect of lojban parser: for example, {jie bu mai'a} does not form 
a meaningful {mai'a} cluster. 

As a standard usage, {mai'a} cluster appears at the very beginning of the 
whole text, just as the inverse of the usage of {fa'o}. The scope of the 
meaning of {mai'a} cluster spans over the following part until the next 
{mai'a} cluster appears.

Optionally, if the first {mai'a} cluster appears in the middle of a text, I 
would consider that the meaning of it spans from the beginning of the text 
until the next {mai'a} cluster appears. However, there may be ones who want 
to consider that the meaning of it spans from a preceding {ni'o}, {to}, 
{tu'e} and so on.

A {mai'a} cluster does not affect the structure of text, because it is only 
a free modifier formed with selma'o MAI. However, it will be useful when an 
artificial intelligence parses lojban texts and its dialects: when the AI 
detects a string {mai'a}, it will easily select a relevant parser for the 
text.

re'i

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I suggest the following experimental cmavo, and I wou=
ld like to ask for your opinion before adding it to la jbovlaste.<br></div>=
<div><br></div><div>mai'a of selma'o MAI</div><div><br></div><div>Definitio=
n in English:</div><div>change version/dialect of parser</div><div><br></di=
v><div>Definition in Lojban:</div><div>galfi lo namcu lo tcita be lo selsku=
 bei lo du'u sinxa lo du'u dei te gerna fi lo se sinxa be ny</div><div><br>=
</div><div>examples of meaning:</div><div>cylylypapi'epa mai'a (current yac=
c and jbofi'e http://www.lojban.org/jboski/ )&nbsp;</div><div>camxes.bu mai=
'a (current peg http://camxes.lojban.org/ )</div><div>iocixes.bu mai'a (zas=
ni gerna of la xorxes https://skami2.iocikun.jp/lojban/zasniGerna , http://=
www.lojban.org/tiki/zasni+gerna )</div><div>ilmentufa burenopavopi'epapapi'=
erevo mai'a (ilmentufa version 2014-11-24 http://mw.lojban.org/extensions/i=
lmentufa/camxes-exp.html , https://github.com/Ilmen-vodhr/ilmentufa )</div>=
<div>fancylojban.bu mai'a (fancylojban http://mw.lojban.org/lmw/fancylojban=
 , http://mw.lojban.org/lmw/ce_ki_tau_jau - no parser yet?)</div><div><br><=
/div><div>example of usage:</div><div>camxes.bu mai'a mi jinvi lo du'u zo m=
ai'a plixau ma'a .i .ilmentufa burenopavopi'epapapi'erevo mai'a zo mai'a pl=
ixau ma'a soi mi jinvi</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Note:</div><=
div>The morphology and grammar of numbers preceding to {mai'a}, including "=
word"-bu, should conform to the current jbofi'e and yacc, so that a {mai'a}=
 cluster forms a free modifier _compatible_ with every version/dialect of l=
ojban parser: for example, {jie bu mai'a} does not form a meaningful {mai'a=
} cluster.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>As a standard usage, {mai'a} clus=
ter appears at the very beginning of the whole text, just as the inverse of=
 the usage of {fa'o}. The scope of the meaning of {mai'a} cluster spans ove=
r the following part until the next {mai'a} cluster appears.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>Optionally, if the first {mai'a} cluster appears in the middle o=
f a text, I would consider that the meaning of it spans from the beginning =
of the text until the next {mai'a} cluster appears. However, there may be o=
nes who want to consider that the meaning of it spans from a preceding {ni'=
o}, {to}, {tu'e} and so on.</div><div><br></div><div>A {mai'a} cluster does=
 not affect the structure of text, because it is only a free modifier forme=
d with selma'o MAI. However, it will be useful when an artificial intellige=
nce parses lojban texts and its dialects: when the AI detects a string {mai=
'a}, it will easily select a relevant parser for the text.</div><div><br></=
div><div>re'i</div></div>

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