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Not saying I enjoy dragging up old topics but I have a hard time accepting
the translation of "recycle bin" being the same as trash can. Recyclables
are a specific kind of waste, reusable. Yet, I have a hard time finding the
right words for "recyclable".

On Saturday, April 19, 2014, Wuzzy <almikes@aol.com> wrote:

> ALRIGHT, let's do this!
>
> First of all, I am going to assume that you did NOT want to have proper
> names. You wrote everything as a proper name but I guess you actually
> want to have the substantives, verbs or adjectives translated. I
> pretend you have written everything in lower-case.
>
> Before I start, first some notes:
> Before you use a translation, ALWAYS check the words in jbovlaste or
> vlatai before using them. Don't just blindly take the translations, you
> will be doomed to fail.
> English words have like 1000 possible interpretations and can't
> guarantee that I always guessed the correct one.
>
> I translated nouns with "lo TEXT", in sumti form.
> Verbs and adjectives are translated with "TEXT", as a selbri.
> I will omit words I did not translate. But I translated a lot of
> them. :-)
>
> In my translation, I make no distinction between singular and plural.
> Since the number does often not matter, after all.
> A translation for a singular can be obtained with "lo pa TEXT", eg.
> "lo pa matci" (a mattress/exactly one mattress).
> A translation for a plural can be obtained with "lo za'u pa TEXT",
> eg. "lo za'u pa matci" (mattresses/more than one mattress).
>
> For some terms we have an unambigious word ready in Lojban and in the
> dictionary. I did not coin any lujvo or fu'ivla ad hoc. For words where
> there is no word in the dictionary ready, I created a tanru instead.
> Sometimes there's even a gismu for that. But be a bit careful with
> those, as those are often vague.
> In the square brackets, I wrote a more or less literal
> reverse translation. This is interesting for tanru.
>
> You posted a lot of interesting words and I think most of them deserve
> their own Lojban words. I am sure the translation results may help
> other lojbanists as well. :-)
> Perhaps I will make lujvo of the most useful tanru in the future, and
> publish the results on jbovlaste.
>
> BUT NOW finally for the translations:
>
> > Ceiling
> lo drudi (very very unsure)
>
> > TV Stand
> lo veltivjoividni zbepi
> lo ti'ivni zbepi
> lo tivyvidni zbepi
> (basically depends wheather you mean TV set or TV screen)
>
> > Trash Can
> Same as "recycle bin":
> lo festi baktu [waste-bucket]
>
> > Headphones
> lo kertintci [headphone]
>
> > Bed Frame
> lo ckana greku [bed-frame]
>
> > Mattress
> lo matci [mat/pad/mattress/pallet]
>
> > Pillow
> lo kicne [cushion]
>
> > Keys
> lo ckiku [key to open a lock]
> lo daplu [sort of island]
>
> > Door Frame
> lo vorme greku [doorway-frame]
>
> > Basin
> lo tansi [ban/basin/tub/sink]
>
> > Lid
> lo ve botpi [lid of a bottle]
> lo drudi [roof/top/ceiling/lid on top of something]
>
> > Mirror
> lo minra [mirror]
>
> > Soap Dish
> lo zbabu palne [soap-tray]
>
> > Mug
> lo kabri [cup/glass/tumbler/mug/vessel]
>
> > Coaster
> lo zdima'aterte'e [roller-coaster]
>
> > Cutting Board
> lo nu katna kei tanbo [cutting-board]
>
> > Kettle
> lo patxu [pot/kettle/urn/tub/sink]
>
> > Hood
> lo sedgai [hood/headgear]
>
> > Doorknob
> lo vrogaibatke [doorknob]
>
> > Toilet Seat
> lo vimstizu [excrete-seat]
>
> > Light
> linto [to be light in weight]
> gusni [to illuminate/to be a light]
> lo gusni [a light]
>
> > Razor
> lo balre [blade]
>
> > Jar
> lo botpi [bottle/jar/urn/flask/closable container]
>
> > Recycle Bin
> Same as "trash can":
> lo festi baktu [waste-bucket]
>
> > Laundry Basket
> lo taxfu vasru [clothing-container]
>
> > Dustpan
> le nu lumci kei canpa [cleaning-shovel]
>
> > Tool Box
> lo tutci tanxe [tool-box/crate]
>
> > Movie
> lo skina [cinema/movie/film]
>
> > Amplifier
> > Blinds
> lo murta [curtain/blinds/drapes]
>
> > Comic Book
> lo lisxra cukta [comic strip book]
>
> > Slippers
> lo ctecutci [slipper/"night shoe"]
> lo zdacutci [slipper/"house shoe"]
>
> > Sandals
> lo karcutci [sandal]
>
> > Ash Tray
> lo fagyfesti palne [ashes-tray]
>
> > Laundry Detergent
> lo taxfu ke lumci xukmi [clothing-(cleaner-chemical)]
>
> This has been made in two parts and then has been combined:
> laundry:
>         lo taxfu [clothing (not implying dirt for simplicity's sake)]
>
> detergent:
>         lo lumci xukmi [cleaner-chemical]
>
> > Matches
> lo sacki [match (incendiary device)]
>
> > Stapler
> lo plopijne tutci [staple-tool]
>
> > Sauce Pan
> lo sanso tansi [sauce-pan]
>
> > Strainer
> lo te rinci [drain/strainer]
> lo julne [filter]
>
> > Corn
> lo gurni [grain/Brisish "corn"]
> lo zumri [corn/maize]
>
> > Cereal
> lo gurni (depends what you mean with "cereal")
>
> > Chips
> lo ga'arpatlu [French fries/British "chips"]
> ????????????? [chips (American sense)]
>
> > Pork
> lo xarju [living pig/pork/hog]
> lo xarju retcu [pork-meat]
>
> > Teacup
> lo tcati kapri [tea-cup]
>
> > Serving Tray
> lo nu selfu kei palne [event-of-serving-tray]
>
> > Cooking Oil
> lo nu jukpa kei grasu [event-of-cooking-oil]
>
> > Frying Pan
> lo juptansi [frying pan/wok]
>
> > Notepad
> lo notci tutci [note-tool] (poor tanru, I know)
>
> > Marker
> lo barna pinsi [mark-pencil]
>
> > Watermelon
> lo guzme [generic melon (plant/fruit)]
>
> > Annoying
> x1 fanza x2
>         [x1 (an event) is annoying for x2]
> x1 fazgau x2 x3
>         [x1 (an annoyer) does x2 (an event), which is annoying for x3]
>
> > Greasy
> ka grasu [to have a property of grease]
>
> > Frozen
> bisli [to be ice] (poor translation)
>
> > Comfortable
> kumfa [to be comfortable]
>
> > Awesome
> banli [great/grant/awesome/etc. etc. etc.]
>
> > Smelly
> se panci [to emit a smell to someone]
> -OR-
> se sumne [to have a smell to someone]
>
> > Wooden
> mudri [to be wood]
>
> > Juicy
> ka jisra [to have a property of juicyness]
> jisra [to be juice]
>
> > Stylish
> This can't probably be translated in a good way, since the word
> "stylish" is too vague to me.
>
> > Addictive
> se maltcu [derogative]
>
> > Flammable
> jelca [to be flammable/to burn]
>
> > Dangerous
> ckape [to be dangerous]
>
> > Rotate
> carna [to rotate]
>
> > Blend
> lo mixre [a blend]
> mixre gasnu [to cause something to be a blend]
>
> > Tighten
> tagji gasnu [to cause something to be tight]
> tagji zukte [to cause something to be tight, with a goal]
>
> > Take (picture)
> kacmyterxra [to take a picture/photo]
>
> > Light
> We already had this.
>
> > Dispose
> fesygau [to leave a waste product]
>
> > Heal
> mikce [to doctor/to treat/to nurse/etc., very generic sense]
>
> > Drip
> lo dirgo [a drop]
>
> > Flush
> rinci
>
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Not saying I enjoy dragging up old topics but I have a hard time accepting =
the translation of &quot;recycle bin&quot; being the same as trash can. Rec=
yclables are a specific kind of waste, reusable. Yet, I have a hard time fi=
nding the right words for &quot;recyclable&quot;.<span></span><br><br>On Sa=
turday, April 19, 2014, Wuzzy &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:almikes@aol.com">almike=
s@aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">ALRIGHT, let&rsq=
uo;s do this!<br>
<br>
First of all, I am going to assume that you did NOT want to have proper<br>
names. You wrote everything as a proper name but I guess you actually<br>
want to have the substantives, verbs or adjectives translated. I<br>
pretend you have written everything in lower-case.<br>
<br>
Before I start, first some notes:<br>
Before you use a translation, ALWAYS check the words in jbovlaste or<br>
vlatai before using them. Don&rsquo;t just blindly take the translations, y=
ou<br>
will be doomed to fail.<br>
English words have like 1000 possible interpretations and can&rsquo;t<br>
guarantee that I always guessed the correct one.<br>
<br>
I translated nouns with &ldquo;lo TEXT&rdquo;, in sumti form.<br>
Verbs and adjectives are translated with &ldquo;TEXT&rdquo;, as a selbri.<b=
r>
I will omit words I did not translate. But I translated a lot of<br>
them. :-)<br>
<br>
In my translation, I make no distinction between singular and plural.<br>
Since the number does often not matter, after all.<br>
A translation for a singular can be obtained with &ldquo;lo pa TEXT&rdquo;,=
 eg.<br>
&ldquo;lo pa matci&rdquo; (a mattress/exactly one mattress).<br>
A translation for a plural can be obtained with &ldquo;lo za&#39;u pa TEXT&=
rdquo;,<br>
eg. &ldquo;lo za&#39;u pa matci&rdquo; (mattresses/more than one mattress).=
<br>
<br>
For some terms we have an unambigious word ready in Lojban and in the<br>
dictionary. I did not coin any lujvo or fu&#39;ivla ad hoc. For words where=
<br>
there is no word in the dictionary ready, I created a tanru instead.<br>
Sometimes there&rsquo;s even a gismu for that. But be a bit careful with<br=
>
those, as those are often vague.<br>
In the square brackets, I wrote a more or less literal<br>
reverse translation. This is interesting for tanru.<br>
<br>
You posted a lot of interesting words and I think most of them deserve<br>
their own Lojban words. I am sure the translation results may help<br>
other lojbanists as well. :-)<br>
Perhaps I will make lujvo of the most useful tanru in the future, and<br>
publish the results on jbovlaste.<br>
<br>
BUT NOW finally for the translations:<br>
<br>
&gt; Ceiling<br>
lo drudi (very very unsure)<br>
<br>
&gt; TV Stand<br>
lo veltivjoividni zbepi<br>
lo ti&#39;ivni zbepi<br>
lo tivyvidni zbepi<br>
(basically depends wheather you mean TV set or TV screen)<br>
<br>
&gt; Trash Can<br>
Same as &ldquo;recycle bin&rdquo;:<br>
lo festi baktu [waste-bucket]<br>
<br>
&gt; Headphones<br>
lo kertintci [headphone]<br>
<br>
&gt; Bed Frame<br>
lo ckana greku [bed-frame]<br>
<br>
&gt; Mattress<br>
lo matci [mat/pad/mattress/pallet]<br>
<br>
&gt; Pillow<br>
lo kicne [cushion]<br>
<br>
&gt; Keys<br>
lo ckiku [key to open a lock]<br>
lo daplu [sort of island]<br>
<br>
&gt; Door Frame<br>
lo vorme greku [doorway-frame]<br>
<br>
&gt; Basin<br>
lo tansi [ban/basin/tub/sink]<br>
<br>
&gt; Lid<br>
lo ve botpi [lid of a bottle]<br>
lo drudi [roof/top/ceiling/lid on top of something]<br>
<br>
&gt; Mirror<br>
lo minra [mirror]<br>
<br>
&gt; Soap Dish<br>
lo zbabu palne [soap-tray]<br>
<br>
&gt; Mug<br>
lo kabri [cup/glass/tumbler/mug/vessel]<br>
<br>
&gt; Coaster<br>
lo zdima&#39;aterte&#39;e [roller-coaster]<br>
<br>
&gt; Cutting Board<br>
lo nu katna kei tanbo [cutting-board]<br>
<br>
&gt; Kettle<br>
lo patxu [pot/kettle/urn/tub/sink]<br>
<br>
&gt; Hood<br>
lo sedgai [hood/headgear]<br>
<br>
&gt; Doorknob<br>
lo vrogaibatke [doorknob]<br>
<br>
&gt; Toilet Seat<br>
lo vimstizu [excrete-seat]<br>
<br>
&gt; Light<br>
linto [to be light in weight]<br>
gusni [to illuminate/to be a light]<br>
lo gusni [a light]<br>
<br>
&gt; Razor<br>
lo balre [blade]<br>
<br>
&gt; Jar<br>
lo botpi [bottle/jar/urn/flask/closable container]<br>
<br>
&gt; Recycle Bin<br>
Same as &ldquo;trash can&rdquo;:<br>
lo festi baktu [waste-bucket]<br>
<br>
&gt; Laundry Basket<br>
lo taxfu vasru [clothing-container]<br>
<br>
&gt; Dustpan<br>
le nu lumci kei canpa [cleaning-shovel]<br>
<br>
&gt; Tool Box<br>
lo tutci tanxe [tool-box/crate]<br>
<br>
&gt; Movie<br>
lo skina [cinema/movie/film]<br>
<br>
&gt; Amplifier<br>
&gt; Blinds<br>
lo murta [curtain/blinds/drapes]<br>
<br>
&gt; Comic Book<br>
lo lisxra cukta [comic strip book]<br>
<br>
&gt; Slippers<br>
lo ctecutci [slipper/&ldquo;night shoe&rdquo;]<br>
lo zdacutci [slipper/&ldquo;house shoe&rdquo;]<br>
<br>
&gt; Sandals<br>
lo karcutci [sandal]<br>
<br>
&gt; Ash Tray<br>
lo fagyfesti palne [ashes-tray]<br>
<br>
&gt; Laundry Detergent<br>
lo taxfu ke lumci xukmi [clothing-(cleaner-chemical)]<br>
<br>
This has been made in two parts and then has been combined:<br>
laundry:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; lo taxfu [clothing (not implying dirt for simpl=
icity&rsquo;s sake)]<br>
<br>
detergent:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; lo lumci xukmi [cleaner-chemical]<br>
<br>
&gt; Matches<br>
lo sacki [match (incendiary device)]<br>
<br>
&gt; Stapler<br>
lo plopijne tutci [staple-tool]<br>
<br>
&gt; Sauce Pan<br>
lo sanso tansi [sauce-pan]<br>
<br>
&gt; Strainer<br>
lo te rinci [drain/strainer]<br>
lo julne [filter]<br>
<br>
&gt; Corn<br>
lo gurni [grain/Brisish &ldquo;corn&rdquo;]<br>
lo zumri [corn/maize]<br>
<br>
&gt; Cereal<br>
lo gurni (depends what you mean with &ldquo;cereal&rdquo;)<br>
<br>
&gt; Chips<br>
lo ga&#39;arpatlu [French fries/British &ldquo;chips&rdquo;]<br>
????????????? [chips (American sense)]<br>
<br>
&gt; Pork<br>
lo xarju [living pig/pork/hog]<br>
lo xarju retcu [pork-meat]<br>
<br>
&gt; Teacup<br>
lo tcati kapri [tea-cup]<br>
<br>
&gt; Serving Tray<br>
lo nu selfu kei palne [event-of-serving-tray]<br>
<br>
&gt; Cooking Oil<br>
lo nu jukpa kei grasu [event-of-cooking-oil]<br>
<br>
&gt; Frying Pan<br>
lo juptansi [frying pan/wok]<br>
<br>
&gt; Notepad<br>
lo notci tutci [note-tool] (poor tanru, I know)<br>
<br>
&gt; Marker<br>
lo barna pinsi [mark-pencil]<br>
<br>
&gt; Watermelon<br>
lo guzme [generic melon (plant/fruit)]<br>
<br>
&gt; Annoying<br>
x1 fanza x2<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [x1 (an event) is annoying for x2]<br>
x1 fazgau x2 x3<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [x1 (an annoyer) does x2 (an event), which is a=
nnoying for x3]<br>
<br>
&gt; Greasy<br>
ka grasu [to have a property of grease]<br>
<br>
&gt; Frozen<br>
bisli [to be ice] (poor translation)<br>
<br>
&gt; Comfortable<br>
kumfa [to be comfortable]<br>
<br>
&gt; Awesome<br>
banli [great/grant/awesome/etc. etc. etc.]<br>
<br>
&gt; Smelly<br>
se panci [to emit a smell to someone]<br>
-OR-<br>
se sumne [to have a smell to someone]<br>
<br>
&gt; Wooden<br>
mudri [to be wood]<br>
<br>
&gt; Juicy<br>
ka jisra [to have a property of juicyness]<br>
jisra [to be juice]<br>
<br>
&gt; Stylish<br>
This can&rsquo;t probably be translated in a good way, since the word<br>
&ldquo;stylish&rdquo; is too vague to me.<br>
<br>
&gt; Addictive<br>
se maltcu [derogative]<br>
<br>
&gt; Flammable<br>
jelca [to be flammable/to burn]<br>
<br>
&gt; Dangerous<br>
ckape [to be dangerous]<br>
<br>
&gt; Rotate<br>
carna [to rotate]<br>
<br>
&gt; Blend<br>
lo mixre [a blend]<br>
mixre gasnu [to cause something to be a blend]<br>
<br>
&gt; Tighten<br>
tagji gasnu [to cause something to be tight]<br>
tagji zukte [to cause something to be tight, with a goal]<br>
<br>
&gt; Take (picture)<br>
kacmyterxra [to take a picture/photo]<br>
<br>
&gt; Light<br>
We already had this.<br>
<br>
&gt; Dispose<br>
fesygau [to leave a waste product]<br>
<br>
&gt; Heal<br>
mikce [to doctor/to treat/to nurse/etc., very generic sense]<br>
<br>
&gt; Drip<br>
lo dirgo [a drop]<br>
<br>
&gt; Flush<br>
rinci<br>
<br>
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