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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Hello Everyone! Following below is an email I recently sent to an email adress I found on lojban.org. I was redirected to this forum, and I was told I would be able to get better answers here. If any of you are willing to answer some of the questions asked, It would help me out a lot! Thanks in advance!! The email: [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: lojban.org] 2.7 DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL RBL: Envelope sender listed in dnsbl.ahbl.org [listed in googlegroups.com.rhsbl.ahbl.org. 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Following below is an email I recently sent to an email adress I found on lojban.org. I was redirected to this forum, and I was told I would be able to get better answers here. If any of you are willing to answer some of the questions asked, It would help me out a lot! Thanks in advance!! The email: L.S. My name is Afke and in my philosophy class we have recently discussed the Sapir-Whorf theory, and currently my classmates and I are working on a project concerning whether this theory is, according to us, correct or not. We are doing this through the means of setting up a hypothesis and testing this hypothesis on the basis of applying it to a specific case. Our group has chosen the Lojban language as our case, and we were very excited to have come across your website and discovering that the Lojban community is still very active. Therefore we thought it might be possible to contact you and ask you some questions concerning our project, which, if it is of no inconvience, we would very much like for you to answer. Assuming that you are familiar with the idea of the Sapir-Whorf theory, which claims that people speaking a different language will percieve reality in a different way, our main question is whether you would agree with this theory or not. Does being able to speak in a different, logical language also mean that you are able to think in a different, logical manner? And seeing that Lojban (most probably) is not your first language, do you believe that people are able to learn to change the way they percieve reality, just like they are able to learn a new language? So for example, does someone who can speak a Native American language as well as regular English have the possibility to view reality in two different ways? Is this the reason you are so interested in Lojban, because it enables you to think and percieve the world more logically? And if not, where did your interest for the Lojban language come from? If it is possible for you to answer these questions, we would like to hear from you soon! Thanking you in advance! Sincerely, Afke van Aller -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_1260_706393607.1422213438340 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Ever= yone!

Following below is an email I rec= ently sent to an email adress I found on lojban.org. I was redirected to th= is forum, and I was told I would be able to get better answers here. If any= of you are willing to answer some of the questions asked, It would help me= out a lot! Thanks in advance!! The email:

L.S.

My name is Afke and in my phil= osophy class we have recently discussed the Sapir-Whorf theory, and current= ly my classmates and I are working on a project concerning whether this the= ory is, according to us, correct or not. We are doing this through the mean= s of setting up a hyp= othesis and testing this hypothesis on the basis of applying it to a specif= ic case. Our group has chosen the Lojban language as our case, and we were = very excited to have come across your website and discovering that the Lojb= an community is still very active. Therefore we thought it might be possibl= e to contact you and ask you some questions concerning our project, which, = if it is of no inconvience, we would very much like for you to answer.

Assuming that you are familiar with the idea of the Sapir-Whorf theo= ry, which claims that people speaking a different language will percieve re= ality in a different way, our main question is whether you would agree with= this theory or not. Does being able to speak in a different, logical langu= age also mean that you are able to think in a different, logical manner? An= d seeing that Lojban (most probably) is not your first language, do you bel= ieve that people are able to learn to change the way they percieve reality,= just like they are able to learn a new language? So for example, does some= one who can speak a Native American language as well as regular English hav= e the possibility to view reality in two different ways? Is this the reason= you are so interested in Lojban, because it enables you to think and perci= eve the world more logically? And if not, where did your interest for the L= ojban language come from?

If it is possible for you to answer thes= e questions, we would like to hear from you soon! 


Thanking you in advance!

Sincerely,

Afke van Aller

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