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 Content preview:  2015-01-28 1:36 GMT+03:00 'John E Clifford' via lojban < lojban@googlegroups.com>:
    > Every utterance of Lojban (in particular, though the goal goes back to
   > Loglan) can be shown grammatical in only one way, it has a unique parse.
    > (And presumably a correct one, that is one that corresponds perfectly to
    > that underlying proposition from which the sentence is derived by the >
    selection of rules peculiar to this language. Whatever the fate of the >
   monoparsing claim is at the moment, this second point – which is the > interesting
    one for refuting the Hypothesis – is not demonstrated.) [...] 
 
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2015-01-28 1:36 GMT+03:00 'John E Clifford' via lojban <
lojban@googlegroups.com>:

> Every utterance of Lojban (in particular, though the goal goes back to
> Loglan) can be shown grammatical in only one way, it has a unique parse.
> (And presumably a correct one, that is one that corresponds perfectly to
> that underlying proposition from which the sentence is derived by the
> selection of rules peculiar to this language. Whatever the fate of the
> monoparsing claim is at the moment, this second point =E2=80=93 which is =
the
> interesting one for refuting the Hypothesis =E2=80=93 is not demonstrated=
.)


Please, note that as I showed earlier what is definitely "different parses
of the same sentence" in English still can be achieved in Lojban. I mean "I
saw a plane flying over Zurich" example.
The precisely ambiguous version {mi pu viska lo vinji ca lo nu lo se xivei
pa a re no'a cu vofli ga'u la tsurix} is a perfect Lojban.
It both means "I saw a plane while I was flying over Zurich" and "I saw a
plane while it was flying over Zurich".

So your claim about "monoparsing" has to be clarified.
See reply above showing more of this example.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
2015-01-28 1:36 GMT+03:00 &#39;John E Clifford&#39; via lojban <span dir=3D=
"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">lojb=
an@googlegroups.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Every
utterance of Lojban (in particular, though the goal goes back to
Loglan) can be shown grammatical in only one way, it has a unique
parse.  (And presumably a correct one, that is one that corresponds
perfectly to that underlying proposition from which the sentence is
derived by the selection of rules peculiar to this language.=20
Whatever the fate of the monoparsing claim is at the moment, this
second point  =E2=80=93 which is the interesting one for refuting the
Hypothesis =E2=80=93 is not demonstrated.)</blockquote></div><br>Please, no=
te that as I showed earlier what is definitely &quot;different parses of th=
e same sentence&quot; in English still can be achieved in Lojban. I mean &q=
uot;I saw a plane flying over Zurich&quot; example.</div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_extra">The precisely ambiguous version {mi pu viska lo vinji ca lo nu lo =
se xivei pa a re no&#39;a cu vofli ga&#39;u la tsurix} is a perfect Lojban.=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">It both means &quot;I saw a plane while I =
was flying over Zurich&quot; and &quot;I saw a plane while it was flying ov=
er Zurich&quot;.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_extra">So your claim about &quot;monoparsing&quot; has to be clarified.=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">See reply above showing more of this examp=
le.<br></div></div>

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