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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: 2015-01-28 15:49 GMT+03:00 Ilmen : > As for the Lojban sentence proposed by Gleki, {mi puku viska lo vinji ca > lo nu lo se xi vei pa .a re no'a cu vofli ga'u la .tsurix.}, it can be > simplified to {mi puku viska lo vinji ca lo nu ri .a mi vofli ga'u la > .tsurix.}, which is similar to what I suggested but having «me and/or the > aircraft» as the flying thing; this is also structurally unambiguous, and > very explicitly not saying what exactly is flying (me, the aircraft or > both?). > [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. 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= 2015-01-28 15:49 GMT+03:00 Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com>:
As for the Lojban sentence proposed by Gleki, {mi puku viska lo vinji ca lo nu lo se xi vei pa .a re no'a cu vofli ga'u la .tsurix.}, it can be simplified to {mi puku viska lo vinji ca lo nu ri .a mi vofli ga'u la .tsurix.}, which is similar to what I suggested but having =C2=ABme and/or the aircraft=C2=BB as the flying t= hing; this is also structurally unambiguous, and very explicitly not saying what exactly is flying (me, the aircraft or both?).

Of course, to say even shorter ambiguity is often just = OR or XOR logical operators implied by the tree so I have no idea what is m= eant by monoparsing compared to English. What are the examples? Is it a res= itrction of Lojban grammar or vice versa a flexibility?

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