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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: then this is meta-case 4 mentioned earlier. However, from the initial paper by John Clifford I can't understand what is meant: "Lojban has the advantage of monoparsing: that there is only one grammatical reading of any sentence, a clear advantage." [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 2.7 DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL RBL: Envelope sender listed in dnsbl.ahbl.org [listed in googlegroups.com.rhsbl.ahbl.org. IN] [A] 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. 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However, from the initial paper by John Clifford I can't understand what is meant: "Lojban has the advantage of monoparsing: that there is only one grammatical reading of any sentence, a clear advantage." How can {lo se xi vei pa a re no'a} be monoparsed in pragmatic terms? It still has two readings. {mi prami do} still has zillions of readings including {mi ba'o prami do} and {mi ba zu ze'i ru'i prami do}. 2015-01-28 16:10 GMT+03:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : > > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < > gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Of course, to say even shorter ambiguity is often just OR or XOR logical >> operators implied by the tree so I have no idea what is meant by >> monoparsing compared to English. What are the examples? Is it a resitrct= ion >> of Lojban grammar or vice versa a flexibility? >> > > A sentence that asserts a proposition involving a disjunction is not > ambiguous. 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then this is meta-case 4 mentioned earlier.
However, f= rom the initial paper by John Clifford I can't understand what is meant= :
"Lojban has the advantage of monoparsing: that there is only one = grammatical reading of any sentence, a clear advantage."

How can {lo se xi vei pa a re no'a} be monoparsed in pr= agmatic terms? It still has two readings.

{mi pram= i do} still has zillions of readings including {mi ba'o prami do} and {= mi ba zu ze'i ru'i prami do}.


2015-01-28 16:10 GMT+03:00 = Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:


On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:02 AM,= Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:=

Of course, to say eve= n shorter ambiguity is often just OR or XOR logical operators implied by th= e tree so I have no idea what is meant by monoparsing compared to English. = What are the examples? Is it a resitrction of Lojban grammar or vice versa = a flexibility?

A sentenc= e that asserts a proposition involving a disjunction is not ambiguous. Ambi= guity occurs when an interpreter cannot decide which of two (or more) propo= sitions a sentence is asserting.=C2=A0

mu'o mi= 'e xorxes

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