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2015-01-29 10:35 GMT+03:00 And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>:

On 29 Jan 2015 06:38, "Gleki Arxokuna" <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
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> 2015-01-28 23:40 GMT+03:00 'John E Clifford' via lojban <lojban@googlegro= ups.com>:
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 >> There are clearly two valid parses for the English.=C2=A0
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 > Why are you saying that the English sentence has two parses?

Because it does have two (in fact, three) parses. In one, &q= uot;flying" is an adverbial adjunct (of "saw") with controll= ed subject; in a second, it is "object complement" (predicate in = a small-clausal complement of "saw"); in a third, it is adjunct o= f "plane".


Of course, this ca= n be a rival explanation but are those different parses due to ambiguity of= the syntactic tree?
It's more about polysemy of -ing, not ab= out syntactic ambiguity.
E.g. in Russian this confusion never ari= ses since it uses several endings instead of polysemous "-ing".

So are we talking about polysemy now?
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