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 Content preview:  On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>
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    native Mandarin speaker. In East Asia, we have different number > > scales
    than the West, especially when the number gets bigger than 10 > > thousand,
    we use another word, namely '萬/万(wan4)' in Chinese, '만/萬(man)' >
   in > > Korean and '万'(man) in Japanese(I'm not sure whether it exists in
    other > > East Asian languages like Vietnamese and Mongolian, etc.), instead
    of > > keeping using thousand. So to a Chinese/Korean/Japanese ear, '17 >
    thousand' > > sounds very confusing. > > > > If Lojban is truly culturally
    neutral, I think we should have an > equivalent > > word of 10-thousand.
   Is it already there? or that it has never been > thought > > about? > > I
   don't know if any Lojbanist has thought about it, but East Asia is not > the
    > only place where this system has been used. Ancient Greek used the myriadic
    > system. Aramaic (and probably also Hebrew, the words are cognate) [...]
    
 
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On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

> On Friday, October 24, 2014 23:36:18 Zilong Lee wrote:
> > I'm a native Mandarin speaker. In East Asia, we have different number
> > scales than the West, especially when the number gets bigger than 10
> > thousand, we use another word, namely '=E8=90=AC/=E4=B8=87(wan4)' in Ch=
inese, '=EB=A7=8C/=E8=90=AC(man)'
> in
> > Korean and '=E4=B8=87'(man) in Japanese(I'm not sure whether it exists =
in other
> > East Asian languages like Vietnamese and Mongolian, etc.), instead of
> > keeping using thousand. So to a Chinese/Korean/Japanese ear, '17
> thousand'
> > sounds very confusing.
> >
> > If Lojban is truly culturally neutral, I think we should have an
> equivalent
> > word of 10-thousand. Is it already there? or that it has never been
> thought
> > about?
>
> I don't know if any Lojbanist has thought about it, but East Asia is not
> the
> only place where this system has been used. Ancient Greek used the myriad=
ic
> system. Aramaic (and probably also Hebrew, the words are cognate)


  Yes,
=D7=A8=D7=91=D7=91=D7=94 (singular; more usually in the plural =D7=A8=D7=91=
=D7=91=D7=95=D7=AA) appears in places like
Judges 20:10, Gen. 24:60, Song of Songs 5:10, etc.

         --gejyspa


> also used
> the myriadic system; the number in Revelation 9:16 is =CE=B4=CF=85=CE=BF =
=CE=BC=CF=85=CF=81=CE=B9=CE=B1=CE=B4=CE=B5=CF=82 =CE=BC=CF=85=CF=81=CE=B9=
=CE=B1=CE=B4=CF=89=CE=BD
> (with lots of variations, some dropping "two") in Greek and =D7=AA=D7=A8=
=D7=AA=D7=99=D7=9F =D7=A8=D7=91=D7=95 =D7=A8=D7=91=D7=95=D7=9F
> (tarteyn rebu rebwan) in Aramaic, both meaning "two myriad myriads". Mode=
rn
> Greek, though, uses =CE=B5=CE=BA=CE=B1=CF=84=CE=BF=CE=BC=CE=BC=CF=85=CF=
=81=CE=B9=CE=BF (hundred myriad) for million and bases the
> words for bigger numbers on that.
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:phma@bezitopo.org" target=3D"_blank">phma@bezitopo.org</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);borde=
r-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">On Friday, October 24=
, 2014 23:36:18 Zilong Lee wrote:<br>
&gt; I&#39;m a native Mandarin speaker. In East Asia, we have different num=
ber<br>
&gt; scales than the West, especially when the number gets bigger than 10<b=
r>
&gt; thousand, we use another word, namely &#39;=E8=90=AC/=E4=B8=87(wan4)&#=
39; in Chinese, &#39;=EB=A7=8C/=E8=90=AC(man)&#39; in<br>
&gt; Korean and &#39;=E4=B8=87&#39;(man) in Japanese(I&#39;m not sure wheth=
er it exists in other<br>
&gt; East Asian languages like Vietnamese and Mongolian, etc.), instead of<=
br>
&gt; keeping using thousand. So to a Chinese/Korean/Japanese ear, &#39;17 t=
housand&#39;<br>
&gt; sounds very confusing.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; If Lojban is truly culturally neutral, I think we should have an equiv=
alent<br>
&gt; word of 10-thousand. Is it already there? or that it has never been th=
ought<br>
&gt; about?<br>
<br>
</span>I don&#39;t know if any Lojbanist has thought about it, but East Asi=
a is not the<br>
only place where this system has been used. Ancient Greek used the myriadic=
<br>
system. Aramaic (and probably also Hebrew, the words are cognate)</blockquo=
te><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0 Yes,=C2=A0=C2=A0</div>=D7=A8=D7=91=D7=91=D7=
=94 (singular; more usually in the plural =D7=A8=D7=91=D7=91=D7=95=D7=AA) a=
ppears in places like Judges 20:10, Gen. 24:60, Song of Songs 5:10, etc.</d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br><d=
iv>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p=
x 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-lef=
t-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> also used<br>
the myriadic system; the number in Revelation 9:16 is =CE=B4=CF=85=CE=BF =
=CE=BC=CF=85=CF=81=CE=B9=CE=B1=CE=B4=CE=B5=CF=82 =CE=BC=CF=85=CF=81=CE=B9=
=CE=B1=CE=B4=CF=89=CE=BD<br>
(with lots of variations, some dropping &quot;two&quot;) in Greek and =D7=
=AA=D7=A8=D7=AA=D7=99=D7=9F =D7=A8=D7=91=D7=95 =D7=A8=D7=91=D7=95=D7=9F<br>
(tarteyn rebu rebwan) in Aramaic, both meaning &quot;two myriad myriads&quo=
t;. Modern<br>
Greek, though, uses =CE=B5=CE=BA=CE=B1=CF=84=CE=BF=CE=BC=CE=BC=CF=85=CF=81=
=CE=B9=CE=BF (hundred myriad) for million and bases the<br>
words for bigger numbers on that.<br></blockquote></div></div></div>

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