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.au pilno lo jbobau
(I'd like using Lojban.)

.i ku'i mi djuno lo du'u na'e certu kei du'e jundi
(But I know that too many people here aren't experts.)

.i mi te zu'e fanva
(So I'm translating.)

.i tavla fi ma'oi bai
(The subject is selma'o BAI.)

.i du'o mi jicmu tolsatci
(As I know it, it's basically inexact.)

.i ku'i lo vanbi .e lo tcaci cu vajni
(But environment and custom are important.)

.i di'e jicmu
(The basis is this:)

.i lu  broda bai ko'a  li'u
   smuni mintu
   lu  lo su'u ko'a bapli cu co'e lo su'u broda  li'u
( "broda bai ko'a"
   means the same as
   that "ko'a bapli" is somehow related to that broda )

.i tolsatci za'a da'oi ko
(Observe, this is inexact.)

.i ku'i lo vanbi cu sidju mutce
(But the context is very helpful.)

.i zo bapli .ivla me'o fe bu lo fasnu
("bapli" has an event for the x2 place.)

.i va'i ro se bapli cu fasnu
(In other words, all compelled events are events.)

.i lo tersku cu .ei racli sruma
   lo du'u lo terta'a se bapli cu du lo nu broda
(Someone being spoken to thus should rationally assume
   that the compelled event discussed is the event of broda.)

.i lo nu finti lo vanbi poi drata se sruma racli cu nandu
(It's hard to thinking of a context where a different assumption is
rational.)

.i di'e troci mupli
(Here's an attempt at an example:)

.i cukta lisri fau lo cinri bai lo nundarlu se bai lo nundamba fi'o morsi
du'e prenu
(A book story with an interesting event with a compelling event of arguing
with
  a compelled event of fighting with too many dead people.)

.i srana .ai la .ceikspir.
(I mean for this to pertain to Shakespeare.)

.i ju'o cu'i fi'o cizra vanbi lo selfi'i be mi zo bai cu kakne srana lo
na'e fadni
(Maybe, in this strange context I've invented, "bai" can be related to
something extraordinary.)

.i ku'i lo fadni vanbi zo'u fadni sruma
(But an ordinary context-- ordinary assumptions.)

.i mi gleki lo nu casnu doi jbope'o
(I'm happy we're talking about it, Lojbananas.)

.i ko ko kurji
(Take care.)

mi'e .telselkik. mu'o mristeju'i

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<div dir=3D"ltr">.au pilno lo jbobau<br>(I&#39;d like using Lojban.)<br><br=
>.i ku&#39;i mi djuno lo du&#39;u na&#39;e certu kei du&#39;e jundi<br>(But=
 I know that too many people here aren&#39;t experts.) <br><br>.i mi te zu&=
#39;e fanva <br>(So I&#39;m translating.) <br><br>.i tavla fi ma&#39;oi bai=
 <br>(The subject is selma&#39;o BAI.) <br><br>.i du&#39;o mi jicmu tolsatc=
i <br>(As I know it, it&#39;s basically inexact.) <br><br>.i ku&#39;i lo va=
nbi .e lo tcaci cu vajni <br>(But environment and custom are important.) <b=
r><br>.i di&#39;e jicmu <br>(The basis is this:)<br><br>.i lu=C2=A0 broda b=
ai ko&#39;a=C2=A0 li&#39;u <br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 smuni mintu<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 lu=
=C2=A0 lo su&#39;u ko&#39;a bapli cu co&#39;e lo su&#39;u broda=C2=A0 li=
9;u<br>( &quot;broda bai ko&#39;a&quot; <br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 means the same as =
<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 that &quot;ko&#39;a bapli&quot; is somehow related to that=
 broda )<br><br>.i tolsatci za&#39;a da&#39;oi ko <br>(Observe, this is ine=
xact.) <br><br>.i ku&#39;i lo vanbi cu sidju mutce <br>(But the context is =
very helpful.) <br><br>.i zo bapli .ivla me&#39;o fe bu lo fasnu <br>(&quot=
;bapli&quot; has an event for the x2 place.) <br><br>.i va&#39;i ro se bapl=
i cu fasnu <br>(In other words, all compelled events are events.) <br><br>.=
i lo tersku cu .ei racli sruma <br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 lo du&#39;u lo terta&#39;a =
se bapli cu du lo nu broda <br>(Someone being spoken to thus should rationa=
lly assume <br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 that the compelled event discussed is the event=
 of broda.)<br><br>.i lo nu finti lo vanbi poi drata se sruma racli cu nand=
u <br>(It&#39;s hard to thinking of a context where a different assumption =
is rational.) <br><br>.i di&#39;e troci mupli <br>(Here&#39;s an attempt at=
 an example:)<br><br>.i cukta lisri fau lo cinri bai lo nundarlu se bai lo =
nundamba fi&#39;o morsi du&#39;e prenu <br>(A book story with an interestin=
g event with a compelling event of arguing with <br>=C2=A0 a compelled even=
t of fighting with too many dead people.) <br><br>.i srana .ai la .ceikspir=
.<br>(I mean for this to pertain to Shakespeare.) <br><br>.i ju&#39;o cu=
9;i fi&#39;o cizra vanbi lo selfi&#39;i be mi zo bai cu kakne srana lo na&#=
39;e fadni <br>(Maybe, in this strange context I&#39;ve invented, &quot;bai=
&quot; can be related to something extraordinary.) <br><br>.i ku&#39;i lo f=
adni vanbi zo&#39;u fadni sruma <br>(But an ordinary context-- ordinary ass=
umptions.) <br><br>.i mi gleki lo nu casnu doi jbope&#39;o<br>(I&#39;m happ=
y we&#39;re talking about it, Lojbananas.) <br><br>.i ko ko kurji <br>(Take=
 care.) <br><br>mi&#39;e .telselkik. mu&#39;o mristeju&#39;i <br><br></div>

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