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 Content preview:  On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:13 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
    > We're currently fixing the CLL (wanna help us?), and in going through >
    chapter 16 I saw the quote from Through The Looking Glass; which reminded
    > me of my own (largely incomplete) Lojban translation of the same. > > >
    ni'o «lu do ma pu lampagre bu'u lo dargu —sei la noltrunau fau lo nu >
    farmuvgau lo xance lo notybei te zu'e tu'a lo cnino sudysrasu cu di'a > tavla—
    li'u» > ni'o «lu no da —sei la notybei cu cusku— li'u» > ni'o «lu
    ie —sei la noltrunau cu cusku— .i lo vi citno ninmu ku ji'a pu > viska
    ra .i ja'o li'a no da masnymau do lo ka cadzu li'u» > ni'o «lu mi camtoi
    —sei la notybei cu nalgleki tonga cusku— .i mi birti lo > du'u no da
   mutce lo ka sutrymau mi lo ka cadzu li'u» > ni'o «lu na cumki —sei la
   noltrunau cu cusku— .i ja da'i ra pu pa moi > tolcliva ti li'u» > > > 'Who
    did you pass on the road?' the King went on, holding out his hand to > the
    Messenger for some more hay. > 'Nobody,' said the Messenger. > 'Quite right,'
    said the King: 'this young lady saw him too. So of course > Nobody walks
   slower than you.' > 'I do my best,' the Messenger said in a sulky tone. 'I'm
    sure nobody walks > much faster than I do!' > 'He can't do that,' said the
    King, 'or else he'd have been here first. > > > It makes no sense in Lojban,
    which of course is the point, but in English > one can read "Nobody" as a
    name. This ambiguity is lost in the Lojban. > However, using {la no da} would
    have been really bad, so I stuck with just > {no da}. Let's say it's the
   King's fault, not Lojban's. :) > > [...] 
 
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On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:13 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

> We're currently fixing the CLL (wanna help us?), and in going through
> chapter 16 I saw the quote from Through The Looking Glass; which reminded
> me of my own (largely incomplete) Lojban translation of the same.
>
>
> ni'o =C2=ABlu do ma pu lampagre bu'u lo dargu =E2=80=94sei la noltrunau f=
au lo nu
> farmuvgau lo xance lo notybei te zu'e tu'a lo cnino sudysrasu cu di'a
> tavla=E2=80=94 li'u=C2=BB
> ni'o =C2=ABlu no da =E2=80=94sei la notybei cu cusku=E2=80=94 li'u=C2=BB
> ni'o =C2=ABlu ie =E2=80=94sei la noltrunau cu cusku=E2=80=94 .i lo vi cit=
no ninmu ku ji'a pu
> viska ra .i ja'o li'a no da masnymau do lo ka cadzu li'u=C2=BB
> ni'o =C2=ABlu mi camtoi =E2=80=94sei la notybei cu nalgleki tonga cusku=
=E2=80=94 .i mi birti lo
> du'u no da mutce lo ka sutrymau mi lo ka cadzu li'u=C2=BB
> ni'o =C2=ABlu na cumki =E2=80=94sei la noltrunau cu cusku=E2=80=94 .i ja =
da'i ra pu pa moi
> tolcliva ti li'u=C2=BB
>
>
> 'Who did you pass on the road?' the King went on, holding out his hand to
> the Messenger for some more hay.
> 'Nobody,' said the Messenger.
> 'Quite right,' said the King: 'this young lady saw him too. So of course
> Nobody walks slower than you.'
> 'I do my best,' the Messenger said in a sulky tone. 'I'm sure nobody walk=
s
> much faster than I do!'
> 'He can't do that,' said the King, 'or else he'd have been here first.
>
>
> It makes no sense in Lojban, which of course is the point, but in English
> one can read "Nobody" as a name. This ambiguity is lost in the Lojban.
> However, using {la no da} would have been really bad, so I stuck with jus=
t
> {no da}. Let's say it's the King's fault, not Lojban's. :)
>
>

I think you could try using "lo no prenu" rather than "no da", "py" for
"Nobody", and "lo no prenu poi mutce lo ka...." for the last "nobody".

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:13 PM, selpa&#39;i <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;bo=
rder-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:so=
lid" class=3D"gmail_quote">We&#39;re currently fixing the CLL (wanna help u=
s?), and in going through chapter 16 I saw the quote from Through The Looki=
ng Glass; which reminded me of my own (largely incomplete) Lojban translati=
on of the same.<br>
<br>
<br>
ni&#39;o =C2=ABlu do ma pu lampagre bu&#39;u lo dargu =E2=80=94sei la noltr=
unau fau lo nu farmuvgau lo xance lo notybei te zu&#39;e tu&#39;a lo cnino =
sudysrasu cu di&#39;a tavla=E2=80=94 li&#39;u=C2=BB<br>
ni&#39;o =C2=ABlu no da =E2=80=94sei la notybei cu cusku=E2=80=94 li&#39;u=
=C2=BB<br>
ni&#39;o =C2=ABlu ie =E2=80=94sei la noltrunau cu cusku=E2=80=94 .i lo vi c=
itno ninmu ku ji&#39;a pu viska ra .i ja&#39;o li&#39;a no da masnymau do l=
o ka cadzu li&#39;u=C2=BB<br>
ni&#39;o =C2=ABlu mi camtoi =E2=80=94sei la notybei cu nalgleki tonga cusku=
=E2=80=94 .i mi birti lo du&#39;u no da mutce lo ka sutrymau mi lo ka cadzu=
 li&#39;u=C2=BB<br>
ni&#39;o =C2=ABlu na cumki =E2=80=94sei la noltrunau cu cusku=E2=80=94 .i j=
a da&#39;i ra pu pa moi tolcliva ti li&#39;u=C2=BB<br>
<br>
<br>
&#39;Who did you pass on the road?&#39; the King went on, holding out his h=
and to the Messenger for some more hay.<br>
&#39;Nobody,&#39; said the Messenger.<br>
&#39;Quite right,&#39; said the King: &#39;this young lady saw him too. So =
of course Nobody walks slower than you.&#39;<br>
&#39;I do my best,&#39; the Messenger said in a sulky tone. &#39;I&#39;m su=
re nobody walks much faster than I do!&#39;<br>
&#39;He can&#39;t do that,&#39; said the King, &#39;or else he&#39;d have b=
een here first.<br>
<br>
<br>
It makes no sense in Lojban, which of course is the point, but in English o=
ne can read &quot;Nobody&quot; as a name. This ambiguity is lost in the Loj=
ban. However, using {la no da} would have been really bad, so I stuck with =
just {no da}. Let&#39;s say it&#39;s the King&#39;s fault, not Lojban&#39;s=
. :)<br>
<br>
</blockquote><div>=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>I think you could try u=
sing &quot;lo no prenu&quot; rather than &quot;no da&quot;, &quot;py&quot; =
for &quot;Nobody&quot;, and &quot;lo no prenu poi=C2=A0mutce lo ka....&quot=
; for=C2=A0the last &quot;nobody&quot;.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>--And.=
=C2=A0</div></div></div></div>

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