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I don't think either this is ambiguity. The relation between modifiers/modificands is just vague. > > The other English examples often used are "Time flies like an arrow; fruit > flies like a banana." and "I saw that gasoline can explode." > This example is related not to mythical syntactical ambiguity (as I said resulting from the operation of interpreting) but instead from polysemy of "flies" and "like" . > lojbab > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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2015-02-05 4:30 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>:
On 1/29/2015 10:5= 6 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
You have a sentence.
You interpret it.
After this interpretation you call it ambiguous.

 That is not syntactic ambiguity, which must be resolved before you can inte= rpret it.

The more classic Lojban examples of such ambiguity are of the "Pretty = Little Girls School House Door Knob" type, where the grouping of modif= iers/modificands isn't determinable (or if it is determinable, depends = on particular choices among polysemous meanings, where if a different less-= common meaning were chosen, the phrase might parse differently).

I don't think either this is ambiguity. The relat= ion between modifiers/modificands is just vague.
=C2=A0

The other English examples often used are "Time flies like an arrow; f= ruit flies like a banana." and "I saw that gasoline can explode.&= quot;

This example is related not to my= thical syntactical ambiguity (as I said resulting from the operation of int= erpreting) but instead from polysemy of "flies" and "like&qu= ot; .



lojbab


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