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 Content preview:  2015-02-04 6:28 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:
    > On Tuesday, February 03, 2015 21:20:05 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > What are
    the examples of polyparsing? > > Is "Flash strode up to Ming. He struck him"
    one? > > Is "Fred saw a plane flying over Zurich" one? > > The first is referential
    ambiguity and can be done just as easily in > Lojban: > "la .flac. cadzu
   jbize'a la .min. i ko'a darxi ko'e". > [...] 
 
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2015-02-04 6:28 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:

> On Tuesday, February 03, 2015 21:20:05 Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> > What are the examples of polyparsing?
> > Is "Flash strode up to Ming.  He struck him" one?
> > Is "Fred saw a plane flying over Zurich" one?
>
> The first is referential ambiguity and can be done just as easily in
> Lojban:
> "la .flac. cadzu jbize'a la .min. i ko'a darxi ko'e".
>

Well, I'd translate that using {lo bi'unai nakni} in the second sentence
since {ko'a} and {ko'e} in your example aren't assigned to anything whereas
in  English they clearly refer anaphorically/cataphorically to someone
mentioned.


> English has words which belong to more than one part of speech, some with
> completely different meanings.


This isn't related to monoparsing directly. This is called polysemy, isn't
it?

So one can say "Swallows fly" and mean "lo
> xlidoni


please, add {xlidoni}  to jbovlaste.

cu vofli" or "tulcti lo sfani". (Both can also be translations of
> "Swallow flies", as Lojban has no grammatical number.)
>
> mi cpacu lo ranpimlu lo datka .i mi mo'ini'a cpare lo xirma
>
> mu'omi'e .piier.
> --
> sei do'anai mi'a djuno puze'e noroi nalselganse srera
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2015-02-04 6:28 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:phma@bezitopo.org" target=3D"_blank">phma@bezitopo.org</a>&gt;</spa=
n>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">On Tuesday, February=
 03, 2015 21:20:05 Gleki Arxokuna wrote:<br>
&gt; What are the examples of polyparsing?<br>
&gt; Is &quot;Flash strode up to Ming.=C2=A0 He struck him&quot; one?<br>
&gt; Is &quot;Fred saw a plane flying over Zurich&quot; one?<br>
<br>
</span>The first is referential ambiguity and can be done just as easily in=
 Lojban:<br>
&quot;la .flac. cadzu jbize&#39;a la .min. i ko&#39;a darxi ko&#39;e&quot;.=
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, I&#39;d translate that using {lo=
 bi&#39;unai nakni} in the second sentence since {ko&#39;a} and {ko&#39;e} =
in your example aren&#39;t assigned to anything whereas in =C2=A0English th=
ey clearly refer anaphorically/cataphorically to someone mentioned.</div><d=
iv><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
English has words which belong to more than one part of speech, some with<b=
r>
completely different meanings.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>This isn&#39=
;t related to monoparsing directly. This is called polysemy, isn&#39;t it?<=
/div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> So one can say &quot;Sw=
allows fly&quot; and mean &quot;lo<br>
xlidoni</blockquote><div><br></div><div>please, add {xlidoni} =C2=A0to jbov=
laste.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> cu vofli&quot; o=
r &quot;tulcti lo sfani&quot;. (Both can also be translations of<br>
&quot;Swallow flies&quot;, as Lojban has no grammatical number.)<br>
<br>
mi cpacu lo ranpimlu lo datka .i mi mo&#39;ini&#39;a cpare lo xirma<br>
<br>
mu&#39;omi&#39;e .piier.<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">--<br>
sei do&#39;anai mi&#39;a djuno puze&#39;e noroi nalselganse srera<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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