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    flying over Zurich" can have several meanings > > Yes. > However, for me,
    the issue here is that we (hopefully..) agree > that there are different
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2015-02-04 15:45 GMT+03:00 v4hn <me@v4hn.de>:

> On Tue, Feb 03, 2015 at 11:42:32AM +0300, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> > "Fred saw a plane flying over Zurich" can have several meanings
>
> Yes.
> However, for me, the issue here is that we (hopefully..) agree
> that there are different parse trees (which yield the different meanings).
>

No, several trees arise after you interpret the sentence.


>
> > {la fred pu viska lo vinji do'e lo se xi vei mo'e zo'e nei poi vofli ga'u
> > la tsurix}
>
> camxes only produces one parse tree for that.
>

And for English you don't provide any parses at all.
May be someone should just parse the original English sentence as camxes
does for Lojban one?
I won't be surprised if such parser for English doesn't exist since those
who write them might mix parsing and interpretation of it. The latter would
be replacing {mo'e zo'e} with some PA which will immediately lead to
several syntactic trees.

So I both disagree and agree with you on whether English sentence has
several syntactic trees. If using one term for two operations is stopped
the contradiction disappears.


> If you think it should produce more then one, raise a bug report.
>

I'm not aware of any Lojban parsers that perform interpretation operation.
In most cases you just need context and one interpretation. But this is
semantic analysis. Producing all possible syntactic trees is a task needed
more seldom.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2015-02-04 15:45 GMT+03:00 v4hn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:me@v4hn.de" target=3D"_blank">me@v4hn.de</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px=
;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1e=
x"><span class=3D"">On Tue, Feb 03, 2015 at 11:42:32AM +0300, Gleki Arxokun=
a wrote:<br>
&gt; &quot;Fred saw a plane flying over Zurich&quot; can have several meani=
ngs<br>
<br>
</span>Yes.<br>
However, for me, the issue here is that we (hopefully..) agree<br>
that there are different parse trees (which yield the different meanings).<=
br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No, several trees arise after you inter=
pret the sentence.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:r=
gb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt; {la fred pu viska lo vinji do&#39;e lo se xi vei mo&#39;e zo&#39;e nei=
 poi vofli ga&#39;u<br>
&gt; la tsurix}<br>
<br>
</span>camxes only produces one parse tree for that.<br></blockquote><div><=
br></div><div>And for English you don&#39;t provide any parses at all.</div=
><div>May be someone should just parse the original English sentence as cam=
xes does for Lojban one?</div><div>I won&#39;t be surprised if such parser =
for English doesn&#39;t exist since those who write them might mix parsing =
and interpretation of it. The latter would be replacing {mo&#39;e zo&#39;e}=
 with some PA which will immediately lead to several syntactic trees.</div>=
<div><br></div><div>So I both disagree and agree with you on whether Englis=
h sentence has several syntactic trees. If using one term for two operation=
s is stopped the contradiction disappears.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0<=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:so=
lid;padding-left:1ex">
If you think it should produce more then one, raise a bug report.<br></bloc=
kquote><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m not aware of any Lojban parsers that per=
form interpretation operation. In most cases you just need context and one =
interpretation. But this is semantic analysis. Producing all possible synta=
ctic trees is a task needed more seldom.</div><div><br></div></div></div></=
div>

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