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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: On 7 Feb 2015 06:24, "Gleki Arxokuna" wrote: > > > 2015-02-06 22:53 GMT+03:00 And Rosta : >> >> If that's true -- I haven't checked (and couldn't because I don't understand the Lojban) -- then it's coincidence. > > > Sorry but if you don't understand Lojban then ... why all this discussion here? [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: googlegroups.com] 2.7 DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL RBL: Envelope sender listed in dnsbl.ahbl.org [listed in googlegroups.com.rhsbl.ahbl.org. 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I mainly got involved because you seemed not to understand English or linguistics, and I'd hoped my involvement might serve to enlighten. > I was trying to show how Lojban parsers deal with another level of analysing text. > > If you can't compare two languages then how can you say what's going on in Lojban? > > It's a must to understand what {lo se xi vei mo'e zo'e nei} means. It sounds like it would be useful, yes, and perhaps in due course it might occur to you to offer an explanation of what it means. But as I said in an earlier message, since Lojban is committed to being monoparsing, that Lojban sentence will monoparse, and its continuing relevance is not obvious. You explained why you thought it was the same as the English example, and I endeavored to explain why everybody else thinks otherwise. --And. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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On 7 Feb 2015 06:24, "Gleki Arxokuna" <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
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> 2015-02-06 22:53 GMT+03:00 And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>:
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>> If that's true -- I haven't checked (and couldn't beca= use I don't understand the Lojban) -- then it's coincidence.
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> Sorry but if you don't understand Lojban then ... why all this dis= cussion here?

I mainly got involved because you seemed not to understand E= nglish or linguistics, and I'd hoped my involvement might serve to enli= ghten.

> I was trying to show how Lojban parsers deal with anoth= er level of analysing text.
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> If you can't compare two languages then how can you say what's= going on in Lojban?
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> It's a must to understand what {lo se xi vei mo'e zo'e nei= } means.

It sounds like it would be useful, yes, and perhaps in due c= ourse it might occur to you to offer an explanation of what it means.

But as I said in an earlier message, since Lojban is committ= ed to being monoparsing, that Lojban sentence will monoparse, and its conti= nuing relevance is not obvious. You explained why you thought it was the sa= me as the English example, and I endeavored to explain why everybody else t= hinks otherwise.

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