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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 03:50:25PM +0300, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > You yourself just showed several parses of the same sentence. > This is how usual English parsers are constructed. > > However, there is another option to monoparse this English sentence. > > You mix English language and one current theory of how to parse it. > > [...] > > Even in current English theory there are a lot of zero morphemes. What I'm > proposing is just another zero morpheme. [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. 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So, in essence, you do not question monoparsing in lojban, but instead propose a new theory on how to parse natural languages. Why didn't you say so right away? Well, at the moment (and as far as I know also in the last decades), nobody used such an approach. That's probably because it does not solve any of the problems involved with parsing&interpreting language as far as I can see. Go ahead and propose that idea to an NLP interest group. In any case pe'i the lojban list is not the place to propose this. v4hn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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