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    On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:42 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
    wrote: > Since the original post on monoparsing as something unique or defining
    > feature of Lojban provided no examples on how this monoparsing differs
   from > English here is once again my full understanding using one example
   that is > monoparsed both in English and Lojban: > "Fred saw a plane flying
    over Zurich" can have several meanings: > 1. Attach as a relative clause
   to the first place: > Fred (who was flying over Zurich) saw a plane. > 2.
   Attach as a relative clause to the second place: > Fred saw a plane (that
   was flying over Zurich). > 3. Adverb-like clause (raising, attachment to the
    first place implied). > Fred saw a plane (while he was) flying over Zurich.
    > 4. Adverb-like clause (raising, attachment to the second place implied).
    > Fred saw a plane (while it was) flying over Zurich. > [...] 
 
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I have a question, that I might understand your position better.

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:42 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Since the original post on monoparsing as something unique or defining
> feature of Lojban provided no examples on how this monoparsing differs from
> English here is once again my full understanding using one example that is
> monoparsed both in English and Lojban:
> "Fred saw a plane flying over Zurich" can have several meanings:
> 1. Attach as a relative clause to the first place:
> Fred (who was flying over Zurich) saw a plane.
> 2. Attach as a relative clause to the second place:
> Fred saw a plane (that was flying over Zurich).
> 3. Adverb-like clause (raising, attachment to the first place implied).
> Fred saw a plane (while he was) flying over Zurich.
> 4. Adverb-like clause (raising, attachment to the second place implied).
> Fred saw a plane (while it was) flying over Zurich.
>

I went to the wesite

http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/submit-sentence-4.html

and typed "Fred saw a plane flying over Zurich", checked "Show all
linkages", and clicked "Submit one sentence".  The result was:

Found 6 linkages (6 with no P.P. violations)
  Linkage 1, cost vector = (UNUSED=0 DIS=0 AND=0 LEN=8)

       +---O <http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-O.html>s---+
  +-S <http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-S.html>s-+   +-D
<http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-D.html>s-+---M
<http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-M.html>g---+--MV
<http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-MV.html>p-+--J
<http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-J.html>s-+
  |    |   |    |        |      |     |
Fred saw.v a plane.n flying.v over Zurich

Constituent tree:

(S (NP Fred)
   (VP saw
       (NP (NP a plane)
           (VP flying
               (PP over
                   (NP Zurich))))))

  Linkage 2, cost vector = (UNUSED=0 DIS=0 AND=0 LEN=9)

       +---O <http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-O.html>s---+
       +-----O <http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-O.html>sn----+
  +-S <http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-S.html>s-+   +-D
<http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-D.html>s-+---M
<http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-M.html>g---+---K
<http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-K.html>--+     |
  |    |   |    |        |      |     |
Fred saw.v a plane.n flying.v over Zurich

Constituent tree:

(S (NP Fred)
   (VP saw
       (NP (NP a plane)
           (VP flying
               (PRT over)
               (NP Zurich)))))

  Linkage 3, cost vector = (UNUSED=0 DIS=0 AND=0 LEN=10)

       +--------P
<http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-P.html>g-------+
       +---O <http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-O.html>s---+
       |
  +-S <http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-S.html>s-+   +-D
<http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-D.html>s-+        +--MV
<http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-MV.html>p-+--J
<http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-J.html>s-+
  |    |   |    |        |      |     |
Fred saw.v a plane.n flying.v over Zurich

Constituent tree:

(S (NP Fred)
   (VP saw
       (NP a plane)
       (VP flying
           (PP over
               (NP Zurich)))))

  Linkage 4, cost vector = (UNUSED=0 DIS=0 AND=0 LEN=11)

       +--------P
<http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-P.html>g-------+
       +---O <http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-O.html>s---+
       +-----O <http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-O.html>sn----+
  +-S <http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-S.html>s-+   +-D
<http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-D.html>s-+        +---K
<http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-K.html>--+     |
  |    |   |    |        |      |     |
Fred saw.v a plane.n flying.v over Zurich

Constituent tree:

(S (NP Fred)
   (VP saw
       (NP a plane)
       (VP flying
           (PRT over)
           (NP Zurich))))

  Linkage 5, cost vector = (UNUSED=0 DIS=0 AND=0 LEN=11)

       +-----------MV
<http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-MV.html>p----------+
       +---O <http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-O.html>s---+
              |
  +-S <http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-S.html>s-+   +-D
<http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-D.html>s-+---M
<http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-M.html>g---+      +--J
<http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-J.html>s-+
  |    |   |    |        |      |     |
Fred saw.v a plane.n flying.v over Zurich

Constituent tree:

(S (NP Fred)
   (VP saw
       (NP (NP a plane)
           (VP flying))
       (PP over
           (NP Zurich))))

  Linkage 6, cost vector = (UNUSED=0 DIS=1 AND=0 LEN=9)

       +---O <http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-O.html>s---+-------M
<http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-M.html>p------+
  +-S <http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-S.html>s-+   +-D
<http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-D.html>s-+---M
<http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-M.html>g---+      +--J
<http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-J.html>s-+
  |    |   |    |        |      |     |
Fred saw.v a plane.n flying.v over Zurich

Constituent tree:

(S (NP Fred)
   (VP saw
       (NP (NP (NP a plane)
               (VP flying))
           (PP over
               (NP Zurich)))))


Assertion: "From the sentence "Fred saw a plane flying over Munich", with
those words in that order and no parentheses or punctuation, there is more
than one parse tree".  Question: Do you agree or disagree with that
assertion?

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">I ha=
ve a question, that I might understand your position better.</div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 =
at 3:42 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is=
.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</s=
pan> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p=
x 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-lef=
t-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Since the original post on=
 monoparsing as something unique or defining feature of Lojban provided no =
examples on how this monoparsing differs from English here is once again my=
 full understanding using one example that is monoparsed both in English an=
d Lojban:<div>&quot;Fred saw a plane flying over Zurich&quot; can have seve=
ral meanings:</div><div>1. Attach as a relative clause to the first place:<=
/div><div>Fred (who was flying over Zurich) saw a plane.</div><div>2. Attac=
h as a relative clause to the second place:</div><div><div>Fred saw a plane=
 (that was flying over Zurich).</div></div><div>3. Adverb-like clause (rais=
ing, attachment to the first place implied).</div><div>Fred saw a plane (wh=
ile he was) flying over Zurich.<br></div><div>4. Adverb-like clause (raisin=
g, attachment to the second place implied).</div><div>Fred saw a plane (whi=
le it was) flying over Zurich.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><=
div>I went to the wesite</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://www.lin=
k.cs.cmu.edu/link/submit-sentence-4.html">http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/s=
ubmit-sentence-4.html</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>and typed &quot;Fred=
 saw a plane flying over Zurich&quot;, checked &quot;Show all linkages&quot=
;, and clicked &quot;Submit one sentence&quot;.=C2=A0 The result was:</div>=
<div><br></div><div><pre style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">Found 6 linkages (6 wit=
h no P.P. violations)
  Linkage 1, cost vector =3D (UNUSED=3D0 DIS=3D0 AND=3D0 LEN=3D8)

       +---<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-O.html">=
O</a>s---+                     =20
  +-<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-S.html">S</a>s-=
+   +-<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-D.html">D</a>=
s-+---<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-M.html">M</a>=
g---+--<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-MV.html">MV<=
/a>p-+--<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-J.html">J</=
a>s-+
  |    |   |    |        |      |     |
Fred saw.v a plane.n flying.v over Zurich=20

Constituent tree:

(S (NP Fred)
   (VP saw
       (NP (NP a plane)
           (VP flying
               (PP over
                   (NP Zurich))))))

  Linkage 2, cost vector =3D (UNUSED=3D0 DIS=3D0 AND=3D0 LEN=3D9)

       +---<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-O.html">=
O</a>s---+        +-----<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/sec=
tion-O.html">O</a>sn----+
  +-<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-S.html">S</a>s-=
+   +-<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-D.html">D</a>=
s-+---<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-M.html">M</a>=
g---+---<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-K.html">K</=
a>--+     |
  |    |   |    |        |      |     |
Fred saw.v a plane.n flying.v over Zurich=20

Constituent tree:

(S (NP Fred)
   (VP saw
       (NP (NP a plane)
           (VP flying
               (PRT over)
               (NP Zurich)))))

  Linkage 3, cost vector =3D (UNUSED=3D0 DIS=3D0 AND=3D0 LEN=3D10)

       +--------<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-P.h=
tml">P</a>g-------+            =20
       +---<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-O.html">=
O</a>s---+        |            =20
  +-<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-S.html">S</a>s-=
+   +-<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-D.html">D</a>=
s-+        +--<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-MV.ht=
ml">MV</a>p-+--<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-J.ht=
ml">J</a>s-+
  |    |   |    |        |      |     |
Fred saw.v a plane.n flying.v over Zurich=20

Constituent tree:

(S (NP Fred)
   (VP saw
       (NP a plane)
       (VP flying
           (PP over
               (NP Zurich)))))

  Linkage 4, cost vector =3D (UNUSED=3D0 DIS=3D0 AND=3D0 LEN=3D11)

       +--------<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-P.h=
tml">P</a>g-------+            =20
       +---<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-O.html">=
O</a>s---+        +-----<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/sec=
tion-O.html">O</a>sn----+
  +-<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-S.html">S</a>s-=
+   +-<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-D.html">D</a>=
s-+        +---<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-K.ht=
ml">K</a>--+     |
  |    |   |    |        |      |     |
Fred saw.v a plane.n flying.v over Zurich=20

Constituent tree:

(S (NP Fred)
   (VP saw
       (NP a plane)
       (VP flying
           (PRT over)
           (NP Zurich))))

  Linkage 5, cost vector =3D (UNUSED=3D0 DIS=3D0 AND=3D0 LEN=3D11)

       +-----------<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-=
MV.html">MV</a>p----------+     =20
       +---<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-O.html">=
O</a>s---+               |     =20
  +-<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-S.html">S</a>s-=
+   +-<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-D.html">D</a>=
s-+---<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-M.html">M</a>=
g---+      +--<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-J.htm=
l">J</a>s-+
  |    |   |    |        |      |     |
Fred saw.v a plane.n flying.v over Zurich=20

Constituent tree:

(S (NP Fred)
   (VP saw
       (NP (NP a plane)
           (VP flying))
       (PP over
           (NP Zurich))))

  Linkage 6, cost vector =3D (UNUSED=3D0 DIS=3D1 AND=3D0 LEN=3D9)

       +---<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-O.html">=
O</a>s---+-------<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-M.=
html">M</a>p------+     =20
  +-<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-S.html">S</a>s-=
+   +-<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-D.html">D</a>=
s-+---<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-M.html">M</a>=
g---+      +--<a href=3D"http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/dict/section-J.htm=
l">J</a>s-+
  |    |   |    |        |      |     |
Fred saw.v a plane.n flying.v over Zurich=20

Constituent tree:

(S (NP Fred)
   (VP saw
       (NP (NP (NP a plane)
               (VP flying))
           (PP over
               (NP Zurich)))))</pre></div><div><br></div><div>Assertion: &q=
uot;From the sentence &quot;Fred saw a plane flying over Munich&quot;, with=
 those words in that order and no parentheses or punctuation, there is more=
 than one parse tree&quot;.=C2=A0 Question: Do you agree or disagree with t=
hat assertion?<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div>

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