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[2a00:1450:400c:c05::22e]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cl5si2291504wib.3.2015.02.12.10.01.32 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 12 Feb 2015 10:01:32 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22e as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::22e; Received: by mail-wi0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id em10so6352837wid.1 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 10:01:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.194.58.174 with SMTP id s14mr10687630wjq.54.1423764092738; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 10:01:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.86.200 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 10:01:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54DCD3CF.1050300@gmail.com> References: <20150204124517.GA1243@kuebelreiter.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> <20150212123856.GA831@kuebelreiter.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> <20150212150021.GB4686@kuebelreiter.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> <54DCD3CF.1050300@gmail.com> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 21:01:12 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] the myth of monoparsing To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bacba62fde299050ee7e8d6 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22e as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.8 X-Spam_score_int: 8 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: 2015-02-12 19:24 GMT+03:00 Ilmen : > As for the "Fred saw a plane flying over Zurich" sentence, it's certainly > possible to have a monoparse if we allow more than two branches per node, > like the below: > [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: googlegroups.com] 2.7 DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL RBL: Envelope sender listed in dnsbl.ahbl.org [listed in googlegroups.com.rhsbl.ahbl.org. 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Namely, language might omit declaring to which head a branch is attached. When English parsers force an assumption that a branch must be attached to a strictly specified head they break this principle. E.g. when in {mi citka lo plise} you derive tense from context similarly when using vague clauses you derive the head it is attached to from context. I just want to separate what I said about vague syntax from what you just suggested for multibranching. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --047d7bacba62fde299050ee7e8d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= 2015-02-12 19:24 GMT+03:00 Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com>:
As for the "Fred saw a plane flying over Zurich" sentence,= it's certainly possible to have a monoparse if we allow more than two branches per node, like the below:

Plea= se, note that by "vague syntax" above I mean that the principle o= f least effort applies not only to tenses, number but even to syntactic tre= e.
Namely, language might omit declaring to= which head a branch is attached.

When English parsers force an assumption that a= branch must be attached to a strictly specified head they break this princ= iple.

= E.g. when in {mi citka lo plise} you derive tense from context similarly wh= en using vague clauses you derive the head it is attached to from context.<= /div>


I just want to separate what I said about va= gue syntax from what you just suggested for multibranching.

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