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[151.226.41.45]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id a5sm17112510wib.20.2015.02.16.12.13.50 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 16 Feb 2015 12:13:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54E24F81.8010701@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 20:13:53 +0000 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120711 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] the myth of monoparsing References: <20150204124517.GA1243@kuebelreiter.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - Gleki Arxokuna, On 11/02/2015 12:50: > Even in current English theory there are a lot of zero morphemes. What I'= m proposing is just another zero morpheme. > > This is what And agreed with me. I'm not sure what I agreed with you. If it's that there are a lot of zero m= orphemes, then yes, I do agree, or at least I agree that there are syntacti= c nodes that don't correspond to any phonological node, and that multiple s= yntactic nodes can correspond to the same phonological node, so that the mo= rphophonological structure of the sentence is only loosely homoeomorphic wi= th the syntactic structure. What I also agree with you on is that in both the English and Lojban exampl= es we have a situation where one phonological form leads determinately to a= set of multiple logical explicatures. But I disagree with your contention = that the situations' internal workings are analogous. In the English case w= e have a set of ambiguous sentences, each sentence with the same phonology = and different logicosyntactic form; in the Lojban case we have a single una= mbiguous sentence, with a single phonology and a single logicosyntactic for= m, which is an underspecified generalization over a set of logical explicat= ures. I don't understand why you keep on about an English parser. Parsers are of = practical utility and of psycholinguistic significance, but what's relevant= to the discussion is grammars, not parsers. There are theories that espous= e the attractive idea that the grammar is a parser (e.g. Dynamic Syntax), b= ut it's a minoritarian view. --And. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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