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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 20:50:55 -0500
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Subject: Re: [lojban] the myth of monoparsing
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On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 5:19 PM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> The result of parsing should show what was meant and not what are all of
> the possible and probably not intended syntactic constructions in the
> sentence.
>

One word can have several meanings.  "Full" can mean "satiated".  When I
say "the moon is full", it is poor form for the listener to object on the
grounds that the moon does not even have a mouth to eat with.  It is the
listener's responsibility in a rational discussion to find the intended
meaning of the words used that makes the uttered sentences make most sense
and be most true, even if other meanings may make the sentence false or
nonsensical.

When a Lojbanist says "Properly formed Lojban parses in just one way", it
is the listener's responsibility to interpret "parses" as "syntactically
parses", so that the uttered sentence makes the most sense and is most
true.  The result of "parsing" is as you say for some meanings of "parsing"
("semantic parsing"), but to object to the use of the word "monoparsing"
when used to mean "mono(syntactic)parsing" when there is an alternate
interpretation "mono(semantic)parsing" is akin to objecting to the phrase
"the moon is full" because it doesn't eat.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On M=
on, Feb 23, 2015 at 5:19 PM, ianek <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
janek37@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">janek37@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"h5"=
><br></div></div><div>The result of parsing should show what was meant and =
not what are all of the possible and probably not intended syntactic constr=
uctions in the sentence.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>On=
e word can have several meanings. =C2=A0&quot;Full&quot; can mean &quot;sat=
iated&quot;.=C2=A0 When I say &quot;the moon is full&quot;, it is poor form=
 for the listener to object on the grounds that the moon does not even have=
 a mouth to eat with.=C2=A0 It is the listener&#39;s responsibility in a ra=
tional discussion to find the intended meaning of the words used that makes=
 the uttered sentences make most sense and be most true, even if other mean=
ings may make the sentence false or nonsensical.</div><div><br></div><div>W=
hen a Lojbanist says &quot;Properly formed Lojban parses in just one way&qu=
ot;, it is the listener&#39;s responsibility to interpret &quot;parses&quot=
; as &quot;syntactically parses&quot;, so that the uttered sentence makes t=
he most sense and is most true.=C2=A0 The result of &quot;parsing&quot; is =
as you say for some meanings of &quot;parsing&quot; (&quot;semantic parsing=
&quot;), but to object to the use of the word &quot;monoparsing&quot; when =
used to mean &quot;mono(syntactic)parsing&quot; when there is an alternate =
interpretation &quot;mono(semantic)parsing&quot; is akin to objecting to th=
e phrase &quot;the moon is full&quot; because it doesn&#39;t eat.</div><div=
><br></div></div></div></div>

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