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Subject: Re: [lojban] the myth of monoparsing
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On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 2:50:56 AM UTC+1, hobyrne wrote:
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 5:19 PM, ianek <jan...@gmail.com <javascript:>> 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> The result of parsing should show what was meant and not what are all of 
>> the possible and probably not intended syntactic constructions in the 
>> sentence.
>>
>
> One word can have several meanings.  "Full" can mean "satiated".  When I 
> say "the moon is full", it is poor form for the listener to object on the 
> grounds that the moon does not even have a mouth to eat with.  It is the 
> listener's responsibility in a rational discussion to find the intended 
> meaning of the words used that makes the uttered sentences make most sense 
> and be most true, even if other meanings may make the sentence false or 
> nonsensical.
>
> When a Lojbanist says "Properly formed Lojban parses in just one way", it 
> is the listener's responsibility to interpret "parses" as "syntactically 
> parses", so that the uttered sentence makes the most sense and is most 
> true.  The result of "parsing" is as you say for some meanings of "parsing" 
> ("semantic parsing"),
>

There's no "semantic parsing". 
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/parse
There's semantic interpretation. When you nitpick, do it right.
 

> but to object to the use of the word "monoparsing" when used to mean 
> "mono(syntactic)parsing" when there is an alternate interpretation 
> "mono(semantic)parsing" is akin to objecting to the phrase "the moon is 
> full" because it doesn't eat.
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 2:50:56 AM UTC+1,=
 hobyrne wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-=
left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 5:19 PM, ianek <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscate=
d-mailto=3D"r_BZOIlPsXcJ" rel=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D'java=
script:';return true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D'javascript:';return true;">j=
an...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><br></div></div><div>The result of parsing should s=
how what was meant and not what are all of the possible and probably not in=
tended syntactic constructions in the sentence.<br></div></div></blockquote=
><div><br></div><div>One word can have several meanings. &nbsp;"Full" can m=
ean "satiated".&nbsp; When I say "the moon is full", it is poor form for th=
e listener to object on the grounds that the moon does not even have a mout=
h to eat with.&nbsp; It is the listener's responsibility in a rational disc=
ussion to find the intended meaning of the words used that makes the uttere=
d sentences make most sense and be most true, even if other meanings may ma=
ke the sentence false or nonsensical.</div><div><br></div><div>When a Lojba=
nist says "Properly formed Lojban parses in just one way", it is the listen=
er's responsibility to interpret "parses" as "syntactically parses", so tha=
t the uttered sentence makes the most sense and is most true.&nbsp; The res=
ult of "parsing" is as you say for some meanings of "parsing" ("semantic pa=
rsing"),</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>There's no "semantic =
parsing". http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/parse<br>There's semant=
ic interpretation. When you nitpick, do it right.<br>&nbsp;</div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: =
1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote"><div>but to object to the use of the word "monoparsing" when used =
to mean "mono(syntactic)parsing" when there is an alternate interpretation =
"mono(semantic)parsing" is akin to objecting to the phrase "the moon is ful=
l" because it doesn't eat.</div><div><br></div></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div>

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