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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 20:50:26 -0300
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Subject: Re: [lojban] On the meanings of the causal gismu
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On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Also, if { ro da zo'u da banzu da .i ku'i na ku ro da zo'u da rinka da .i
> la'a no da zo'u da rinka da }, then is {banzu} a causal relation? If
> causal relations have to do with temporal sequences of events (when X
> happens, Y necessarily happens afterwards), then {banzu} doesn't seem to be
> a causal relation, and seems to be closer to {nibli} (logical implication).
>

ie .i lo nu rinka cu banzu gi'e nai ku'i sarcu lo nu banzu


> Except that {banzu} usually takes event arguments and {nibli} takes
> propositions/bridi as arguments, is there any meaning difference between
> {nibli} and {banzu}?
>

pe'i zo nibli cu srana lo logji poi curmi lo nu cpacu lo se nibli lo nibli
.i je zo banzu cu srana lo cmarai be lo klani poi curmi lo nu lo se banzu
cu zasti ja fasnu ja jetnu

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Ilmen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">ilmen.pokebip@gmail.c=
om</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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    <br></span>Also, if { <span>ro da zo&#39;u da banzu da .i ku&#39;i na k=
u ro
      da zo&#39;u da rinka da .i la&#39;a no da zo&#39;u da rinka da</span>=
 }, then
    is {banzu} a causal relation? If causal relations have to do with
    temporal sequences of events (when X happens, Y necessarily happens
    afterwards), then {banzu} doesn&#39;t seem to be a causal relation, and
    seems to be closer to {nibli} (logical implication).<br></div></blockqu=
ote><div><br></div><div>ie .i lo nu rinka cu banzu gi&#39;e nai ku&#39;i sa=
rcu lo nu banzu</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div t=
ext=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
    Except that {banzu} usually takes event arguments and {nibli} takes
    propositions/bridi as arguments, is there any meaning difference
    between {nibli} and {banzu}?</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>pe&#=
39;i zo nibli cu srana lo logji poi curmi lo nu cpacu lo se nibli lo nibli =
.i je zo banzu cu srana lo cmarai be lo klani poi curmi lo nu lo se banzu c=
u zasti ja fasnu ja jetnu</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes=
</div><div><br></div></div></div></div>

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