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[2a00:1450:400c:c00::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id el6si835696wib.0.2015.03.31.06.48.06 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 31 Mar 2015 06:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::235; Received: by mail-wg0-x235.google.com with SMTP id e14so19639850wgo.0 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 06:48:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.195.11.161 with SMTP id ej1mr72175561wjd.47.1427809686095; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 06:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.62.9 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 06:48:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: X-Goomoji-Body: true Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 09:48:05 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Two meanings of {bu} From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=047d7bb70912259297051295d963 X-Original-Sender: Mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7bb70912259297051295d963 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bb70912259294051295d962 --047d7bb70912259294051295d962 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Yes, exactly. A computer should *not *be able to follow it. It's as ambiguous as what does "ra" refer to. A computer (without considerable reasoning skills) should only be able to follow explicit goi labels. --gejyspa On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > > 2015-03-31 16:26 GMT+03:00 Michael Turniansky : > >> But it's not a rule. It's a convention by the lojban speaking >> community. It's not built in. >> > > The problem is that we have a lot of texts where this "convention" has > been used. I don't know how you will tell computer applications "this is > not a rule, this is a convention" and how it will answer to your questions > about {abu} after that. Computer needs to understand that {abu} = {la > .alis.} > > > You can speak and understand lojban without it (btw, this convention was >> one of the things that the Loglan community had adopted during the 30 years >> between me learning it and coming back to look for it on the Internet. I >> didn't understand it (nor the 6 letter lujvo-style words that they had >> adopted (back in 1975 Loglan, word lengths of compound words were always >> 3N+5). It was because of these two things that I decided that if I was >> going to have to relearn the whole language anyway, I might as well learn >> lojban, which seemed less moribund.) >> >> --gejyspa >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 9:02 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < >> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> 2015-03-31 15:58 GMT+03:00 Michael Turniansky : >>> >>>> I'm not saying that "slaka bu" *resolves* into ",". What I'm >>>> saying is that "mlatu bu", is (conceptually) a symbol. It doesn't matter >>>> whether you think of it as [?], or can't picture it at all. That's >>>> purely an orthographic issue. There are an infinite number (me'o me'o >>>> je'o abu xi no lo'o, if that parses?) of labels. Not all of them may have >>>> a symbol to represent them in written form. But that doesn't matter on a >>>> usage level. As a terbri, it just stands for something. If you have >>>> assigned it, it doesn't matter what you have assigned it to. I can say "la >>>> xank goi mlatu bu cu klama lo zarci .i mlatu bu genai mlatu gi gerku " If >>>> you haven't previously assigned it, then your listener has to figure out >>>> what it might refer to (or indeed, if it refers to anything at all, and is >>>> just some sort of hypothetical template used in an example). *By >>>> convention*, if it's one of the 23 letters of the lojban (Roman) >>>> alphabet (i.e a lerfu), we assume it to refer to the last sumti that >>>> started with that letter (but even that's not absolute, and can be >>>> overridden by explicit assignments). But that is by convention po'o. (CLL >>>> 17.9.2 Notice the words "it can be assumed"). But that's the only >>>> "privilege" given to "a bu" over "mlatu bu" >>>> >>> >>> Exactly. This privilege multiplies rules making the language harder to >>> learn. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> --gejyspa >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:14 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < >>>> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2015-03-30 22:23 GMT+03:00 Michael Turniansky : >>>>> >>>>>> I think maybe you are misunderstanding the use of "bu". It means >>>>>> one thing, and one thing only. It changes the last word into a letteral >>>>>> symbol. "nubu" "slakabu" >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> {slaka bu}, not {slakabu}. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> "kybu" etc are no different than "ebu" or "my" in that regard. >>>>>> "VALSI bu" is equivalent to a BY, period. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> They are equivalent syntactically, grammatically but not semantically >>>>> when used without {goi}. Their meaning is absolutely unpredictable, and >>>>> that's the problem. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Now, that being said, a BY (or equivalently, a "valsi bu") used as >>>>>> a sumti (terbri) refers to something previous. The only question is what. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is absolutely nothing wrong with saying, for example, "lo >>>>>> gerku goi by cu klama lo zarci. i by blanu" (The dog, which we will refer >>>>>> to as B, goes to the store. B is blue.) It is exactly the same thing as >>>>>> "lo gerku goi la sam cu klama lo zarci .i la sam blanu" or "lo gerku goi >>>>>> ko'a cu klama lo zarci .i ko'a blanu" And yes, "lo gerku goi denpa bu cu >>>>>> klama lo zarci .i denpa bu blanu" >>>>>> >>>>>> The only difference in usage is for *implicit* assignment. Using >>>>>> a letteral without a previous "goi" assignemnt is presumed to stand for the >>>>>> last thing starting with that letter. ("lo gerku cu klama lo zarci .i gy >>>>>> blanu") But I could certainly just say "mi xabju slaka bu" and leave you >>>>>> scratching your head as to what "," referred to. But it always resolves >>>>>> (when used as a terbri) as "the thing designated by the label "," " (unless >>>>>> you have preceeded it by a me'o. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It can't resolve into "," unless you open a dictionary. I can never >>>>> know what {mlatu bu} means and unlike {slaka bu} {a bu} doesn't resolve >>>>> into the symbol "A" because one would search for a sumti tail starting with >>>>> "a". >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> --gejyspa >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Gleki Arxokuna < >>>>>> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. {bu} is used after vowels to anaphorically reference LA/LE-sumti >>>>>>> with sumti tails that start with the same vowel. >>>>>>> 2. {bu} is proposed by gejyspa in {nu bu} and {du'u bu} to reference >>>>>>> sumti that have sumti tails that start (or probably contain at main level) >>>>>>> {nu} or {du'u} abstractions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This immediately raises a question: can a {nu bu} according to rule >>>>>>> 1. reference {lo nupre}? If not 2. is indeed a new rule. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3. {bu} is proposed to be used in mekso to reference certain symbols >>>>>>> like {.alfas. bu} for alpha. Probably it's about {me'o .alfas. bu} since we >>>>>>> are talking about formulae. In this case it doesn't conflict with 1. and 2. >>>>>>> and just adds this new third rule, namely, that inside {me'o} strings such >>>>>>> constructs as {abu}, {nu bu}, {.alfas. bu} get a new meaning strictly >>>>>>> defined in the dictionary. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 4. Using {denpa bu} for "dot" without {me'o} can't fit into rules 1. >>>>>>> and 2. From rule 1. and 2. we can assume that it anaphorically references >>>>>>> {LE/LA denpa}. Neither using {.alfas. bu} without {me'o} can reference the >>>>>>> symbol alpha. Instead, it would reference {la .alfas.}. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 5. Neither {uibu} can be used without {me'o} to denote smileys. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If {denpa bu} and {.alfas. bu} can be used without {me'o} to >>>>>>> reference dots and alpha symbols then a,e,i,o,u, nu,du'u are exclusions to >>>>>>> this rule. And in this case we aren't able to reference "a" as a symbol >>>>>>> without {me'o} since {abu} is always an anaphorical marker. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So my proposal is: >>>>>>> 1. to always use {me'o} to reference symbols or to use fu'ivla for >>>>>>> them like {denpabu} and {slakabu}. >>>>>>> 2. The letteral meanings of uibu, denpa bu, slaka bu are to be >>>>>>> defined in the dictionary. >>>>>>> 3. {denpa bu} means {lo denpa} referenced anaphorically, it is close >>>>>>> to {le} explained here >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> ri'oi . But even more >>>>>>> correctly would be to show two examples identical in meaning: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> a) {lo denpa cu pendo mi .ije dy. xendo} >>>>>>> b) {lo denpa cu pendo mi .ije denpa bu xendo} >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Clearly, {denpa bu prenu bu} would reference {lo denpa prenu} (no >>>>>>> matter how often one would need that). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> {mi bu} would refer to {lo mi broda}. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> {ca bu} would refer to {lo ca broda} or {i ca broda} and thus be >>>>>>> similar to {lo go'oi }. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Interesting that in past people suggested using different {SOMETHING >>>>>>> bu} to mark keyboard keys. No wonder {a bu} was never suggested as a name >>>>>>> of A keyboard key because it's already taken by an anaphorical construct. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Yes, exactly.=C2=A0 A computer should not= be able to follow it. It's as ambiguous as what does "ra"= ; refer to.=C2=A0 A computer (without considerable reasoning skills) should= only be able to follow explicit goi labels.

=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 --gejyspa




On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 a= t 9:34 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2015-03-3= 1 16:26 GMT+03:00 Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>:
=C2=A0 But it'= s not a rule.=C2=A0 It's a convention by the lojban speaking community.= =C2=A0 It's not built in.

= The problem is that we have a lot of texts where this "convention"= ; has been used. I don't know how you will tell computer applications &= quot;this is not a rule, this is a convention" and how it will answer = to your questions about {abu} after that. Computer needs to understand that= {abu} =3D {la .alis.}


=
=C2=A0 You can speak = and understand lojban without it (btw, this convention was one of the thing= s that the Loglan community had adopted during the 30 years between me lear= ning it and coming back to look for it on the Internet.=C2=A0 I didn't = understand it (nor the 6 letter lujvo-style words that they had adopted (ba= ck in 1975 Loglan, word lengths of compound words were always 3N+5).=C2=A0 = It was because of these two things that I decided that if I was going to ha= ve to relearn the whole language anyway, I might as well learn lojban, whic= h seemed less moribund.)

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --gejyspa


On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 9:0= 2 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> w= rote:


2015-03-31 15:58 GMT+03:0= 0 Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>:
=C2=A0 I'm not saying that &qu= ot;slaka bu" =C2=A0resolves into ",".=C2=A0 What I= 9;m saying is that "mlatu bu", is (conceptually) a symbol.=C2=A0 = It doesn't matter whether you think of it as=C2=A0, or can't picture it at all.=C2=A0 T= hat's purely an orthographic issue.=C2=A0 There are an infinite number = (me'o =C2=A0me'o je'o abu xi no lo'o, if that parses?) of = =C2=A0labels.=C2=A0 Not all of them may have a symbol to represent them in = written form.=C2=A0 But that doesn't matter on a usage level. =C2=A0 As= a terbri, it just stands for something.=C2=A0 If you have assigned it, it = doesn't matter what you have assigned it to.=C2=A0 I can say "la x= ank goi mlatu bu cu klama lo zarci .i mlatu bu genai mlatu gi gerku " = =C2=A0If you haven't previously assigned it, then your listener has to = figure out what it might refer to (or indeed, if it refers to anything at a= ll, and is just some sort of hypothetical template used in an example). =C2= =A0By convention, if it's one of the 23 letters of the lojban (R= oman) alphabet (i.e a lerfu), we assume it to refer to the last sumti that = started with that letter (but even that's not absolute, and can be over= ridden by explicit assignments).=C2=A0 But that is by convention po'o. = =C2=A0(CLL 17.9.2 =C2=A0Notice the words "it can be assumed"). Bu= t that's the only "privilege" given to "a bu" over = "mlatu bu"

Exactly. = This privilege multiplies rules making the language harder to learn.
<= div>
=C2=A0
<= div>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa

=

On Tue, Mar = 31, 2015 at 5:14 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

2015-03-30= 22:23 GMT+03:00 Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>:
=C2=A0 I think mayb= e you are misunderstanding the use of "bu".=C2=A0 It means one th= ing, and one thing only.=C2=A0 It changes the last word into a letteral sym= bol. =C2=A0"nubu" "slakabu"

=
{slaka bu}, not {slakabu}.
=C2=A0
"kybu" etc are no = different than "ebu" or "my" in that regard. =C2=A0&quo= t;VALSI bu" is equivalent to a BY, period.

=
They are equivalent syntactically, grammatically but not = semantically when used without {goi}. Their meaning is absolutely unpredict= able, and that's the problem.


=C2=A0 Now, that being= said, a BY (or equivalently, a "valsi bu") used as a sumti (terb= ri) refers to something previous.=C2=A0 The only question is what.

=C2=A0 There is absolutely nothing wrong with saying, for = example, "lo gerku goi by cu klama lo zarci. i by blanu" (The dog= , which we will refer to as B, goes to the store.=C2=A0 B is blue.) It is e= xactly the same thing as "lo gerku goi la sam =C2=A0cu klama lo zarci = .i la sam blanu" or "lo gerku goi ko'a cu klama lo zarci .i k= o'a blanu" =C2=A0And yes, "lo gerku goi denpa bu cu klama lo = zarci .i denpa bu blanu"

=C2=A0 The only diff= erence in usage is for implicit=C2=A0assignment.=C2=A0 Using a lette= ral without a previous "goi" assignemnt is presumed to stand for = the last thing starting with that letter. ("lo gerku cu klama lo zarci= .i gy blanu") But I could certainly just say "mi xabju slaka bu&= quot; and leave you scratching your head as to what "," referred = to.=C2=A0 But it always resolves (when used as a terbri) as "the thing= designated by the label "," " (unless you have preceeded it= by a me'o.

It can&#= 39;t resolve into "," unless you open a dictionary. I can never k= now what {mlatu bu} means and unlike {slaka bu} {a bu} doesn't resolve = into the symbol "A" because one would search for a sumti tail sta= rting with "a".


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa



On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 = at 1:03 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
1. {bu} is used after vowels to anaphorically reference LA/LE-sum= ti with sumti tails that start with the same vowel.
2. {bu} is proposed= by gejyspa in {nu bu} and {du'u bu} to reference sumti that have sumti= tails that start (or probably contain at main level) {nu} or {du'u} ab= stractions.

This immediately raises a question: ca= n a {nu bu} according to rule 1. reference {lo nupre}? If not 2. is indeed = a new rule.

3. {bu} is proposed to be used in meks= o to reference certain symbols like {.alfas. bu} for alpha. Probably it'= ;s about {me'o .alfas. bu} since we are talking about formulae. In this= case it doesn't conflict with 1. and 2. and just adds this new third r= ule, namely, that inside {me'o} strings such constructs as {abu}, {nu b= u}, {.alfas. bu} get a new meaning strictly defined in the dictionary.

4. Using {denpa bu} for "dot" without {me= 9;o} can't fit into rules 1. and 2. From rule 1. and 2. we can assume t= hat it anaphorically references {LE/LA denpa}. Neither using {.alfas. bu} w= ithout {me'o} can reference the symbol alpha. Instead, it would referen= ce {la .alfas.}.

5. Neither {uibu} can be used wit= hout {me'o} to denote smileys.

If {denpa bu} a= nd {.alfas. bu} can be used without {me'o} to reference dots and alpha = symbols then a,e,i,o,u, nu,du'u are exclusions to this rule. And in thi= s case we aren't able to reference "a" as a symbol without {m= e'o} since {abu} is always an anaphorical marker.

<= div>So my proposal is:
1. to always use {me'o} to referen= ce symbols or to use fu'ivla for them like {denpabu} and {slakabu}.
2. The letteral meanings of uibu, denpa bu, slaka bu are to be defin= ed in the dictionary.
3. {denpa bu} means {lo denpa} referenced a= naphorically, it is close to {le} explained here=C2=A0or ri'oi. But even more correctly would be = to show two examples identical in meaning:

a) {lo = denpa cu pendo mi .ije dy. xendo}
b)=C2=A0{lo denpa cu pendo mi .= ije denpa bu xendo}

Clearly, {denpa bu prenu bu} w= ould reference {lo denpa prenu} (no matter how often one would need that).<= /div>

{mi bu} would refer to {lo mi broda}.
{ca bu} would refer to {lo ca broda} or {i ca broda} and thus = be similar to {lo go'oi}.

Interesting that i= n past people suggested using different {SOMETHING bu} to mark keyboard key= s. No wonder {a bu} was never suggested as a name of A keyboard key because= it's already taken by an anaphorical construct.

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