Received: from mail-la0-f62.google.com ([209.85.215.62]:34254) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YdDst-0001pu-03 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 01:20:24 -0700 Received: by lams18 with SMTP id s18sf14820336lam.1 for ; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 01:20:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=IaSpoCK2kUop8cuIbzERqLQf0qOLmKBIMa9D7zAej/I=; b=mxLunoczFonlhEeVhm8i6XX5QOi+wxYseYyoMygmFLbf/7ZUMUq3hID95glue/OVor aWkxedufvr+Cji9nKoLUubICqp/Jt65UrzD1sAtei7wHkDlA95lZr4CuqCb2JpWUsODJ LapXTLkkCQsg40dFxFNwG7gjVHg3GVcm0Lxm/wL+61Khhu2MLtiLFgqIyGYQDFl9Wj/p WqyrAU1rjxtYgEIIn/eYF7cNaqEHgT2xSTCnbIk0q2hx7faS8jpkMiSeQayz3PS42MYi Qhx6JWmQucVylxgfx5QrbAoGOhaWNtt4hE+O+Wgif8YDnP1GJhiobhIYtdP8Id/bW+yj Z9RA== X-Received: by 10.180.126.41 with SMTP id mv9mr63409wib.0.1427876416100; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 01:20:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.181.11.169 with SMTP id ej9ls893066wid.50.canary; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 01:20:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.71.227 with SMTP id y3mr6751205wju.3.1427876415159; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 01:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x230.google.com (mail-wi0-x230.google.com. [2a00:1450:400c:c05::230]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id sf8si70128wic.2.2015.04.01.01.20.15 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Apr 2015 01:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::230 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::230; Received: by mail-wi0-x230.google.com with SMTP id gn9so56264397wib.1 for ; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 01:20:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.81.233 with SMTP id d9mr83092601wjy.42.1427876415042; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 01:20:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.240.197 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 01:19:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 11:19:54 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Lojban changes to hanzi writing system To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" , Constructed Languages List , International Auxiliary Languages Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bb04b82807d350512a562ed X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7bb04b82807d350512a562ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some people complained that although the spelling in Lojban is very easy to grasp the grammar is not. So the committee for the development of Lojban (BPFK) decided to fix this issue and to make the spelling hard as well. Especially for those people who are not familiar with hanzi (Chinese characters). This is how Lojban writing will look like from now on: "=E6=88=91 =E7=88=B1 =E4=BD=A0" - new spelling. "I love you" - meaning. "mi prami do" - old spelling. "=E8=80=85 =E7=8C=AB =E6=98=AF =E5=96=9D =E8=80=85 =E4=B9=B3" - new spellin= g. "A cat drinks milk" - meaning. "lo mlatu cu pinxe lo ladru" - old spelling. Those who can read hanzi have already laughed at it. But let's stop giggling and start getting used to it. A. Every root verb (gismu) is mapped to one hanzi or a combination of two hanzi. B. Every verb made of affixes (lujvo) is created by joining gismu (verbs corresponding to each affix) together using "-". C. particles (cmavo) also have corresponding hanzi. Words are separated with spaces. I created a tool La Naxle http://vrici.lojban.org/~gleki/mediawiki-1.19.2/extensions/ilmentufa/ircbot= /naxle.html It can do several things: 1. By entering a text into {ko ciska fi ti} field and pressing "Split" you can prettify the text like this: 1a. Spaces are inserted where needed thus {lonu} is turned into {lo nu}. 1b. Lujvo are unwrapped into {zei}-lujvo thus {muvgau} is turned into {muvdu zei gasnu}. This makes the text easier to read for beginners. 1c. However, for SE-lujvo only spaces are added: {selterselcpedu} is turned into {se te se cpedu} since we assume that they mean the same. So instead of {minelci lonu do muvgau lo jubme} you get {mi nelci lo nu do muvdu zei gasnu lo jubme} - the output is prettified. 2. By pressing "anji ( =E6=BC=A2=E5=AD=97 )" the same is done but the text = is additionally hanzi-fied. The conversion dictionary isn't yet complete so we are waiting for more suggestions from you of hanzi correspondences for Lojban words. 3. Additionally various buttons for searching in jbovlaste (live Lojban dictionary) and La Bangu (revised) dictionary are added, English dictionaries for other languages like Laadan, toki pona and Loglan are supported. 4. It's possible to get the output of the main syntactic parsers: camxes.js, jbofi'e and YACC. 5. An alpha-stage Loglan-Lojban converter is available. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --047d7bb04b82807d350512a562ed Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Some people complained that although the spelling in Lojba= n is very easy to grasp the grammar is not.

So the commi= ttee for the development of Lojban (BPFK) decided to fix this issue and to = make the spelling hard as well.
Especially for those people who a= re not familiar with hanzi (Chinese characters).

T= his is how Lojban writing will look like from now on:

<= div>"=E6=88=91 =E7=88=B1 =E4=BD=A0" - new spelling.
&qu= ot;I love you" - meaning.
"mi prami do" -= old spelling.


"=E8= =80=85 =E7=8C=AB =E6=98=AF =E5=96=9D =E8=80=85 =E4=B9=B3" - new spelli= ng.
"A cat drinks milk" - meaning.
=
"lo mlatu cu pinxe lo ladru" - old spelling.


Those who can read hanzi have already laughe= d at it.
But let's stop giggling and start getting used to it= .

A. Every root verb (gismu) is mapped to one hanz= i or a combination =C2=A0of two hanzi.
B. Every verb made of affi= xes (lujvo) is created by joining gismu (verbs corresponding to each affix)= together using "-".
C. particles (cmavo) also have cor= responding hanzi.
Words are separated with spaces.
=
I created a tool La Naxle

It can do se= veral things:
1. By entering a text into {ko ciska fi ti} field a= nd pressing "Split" you can prettify the text like this:
1a. Spaces are inserted where needed thus {lonu} is turned into {lo =C2= =A0nu}.
1b. Lujvo are unwrapped into {zei}-lujvo thus {muvgau} is= turned into {muvdu zei gasnu}. This makes the text easier to read for begi= nners.
1c. However, for SE-lujvo only spaces are added: {selterse= lcpedu} is turned into {se te se cpedu} since we assume that they mean the = same.
So instead of {minelci lonu do muvgau lo jubme} you get {mi= nelci lo nu do muvdu zei gasnu lo jubme} - the output is prettified.
=

2. By pressing "anji ( =E6=BC=A2=E5=AD=97 )" = the same is done but the text is additionally hanzi-fied.

The conversion dictionary isn't yet complete so we are waiting = for more suggestions from you of hanzi correspondences for Lojban words.

3. Additionally various buttons for searching in jbo= vlaste (live Lojban dictionary) and La Bangu (revised) dictionary are added= , English dictionaries for other languages like Laadan, toki pona and Logla= n are supported.
4. It's possible to get the output of the ma= in syntactic parsers: camxes.js, jbofi'e and YACC.
5. An alph= a-stage Loglan-Lojban converter is available.

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