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Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban changes to hanzi writing system
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Must be broken.  Entered "bisli vamtu" in the first box, pressed the
Loglan<lojban button, and got back the same string "bisli vamtu".
   --gejyspa


On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 4:19 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Some people complained that although the spelling in Lojban is very easy
> to grasp the grammar is not.
>
> So the committee for the development of Lojban (BPFK) decided to fix this
> issue and to make the spelling hard as well.
> Especially for those people who are not familiar with hanzi (Chinese
> characters).
>
> This is how Lojban writing will look like from now on:
>
> "=E6=88=91 =E7=88=B1 =E4=BD=A0" - new spelling.
> "I love you" - meaning.
> "mi prami do" - old spelling.
>
>
> "=E8=80=85 =E7=8C=AB =E6=98=AF =E5=96=9D =E8=80=85 =E4=B9=B3" - new spell=
ing.
> "A cat drinks milk" - meaning.
> "lo mlatu cu pinxe lo ladru" - old spelling.
>
>
> Those who can read hanzi have already laughed at it.
> But let's stop giggling and start getting used to it.
>
> A. Every root verb (gismu) is mapped to one hanzi or a combination  of tw=
o
> hanzi.
> B. Every verb made of affixes (lujvo) is created by joining gismu (verbs
> corresponding to each affix) together using "-".
> C. particles (cmavo) also have corresponding hanzi.
> Words are separated with spaces.
>
> I created a tool La Naxle
>
> http://vrici.lojban.org/~gleki/mediawiki-1.19.2/extensions/ilmentufa/ircb=
ot/naxle.html
>
> It can do several things:
> 1. By entering a text into {ko ciska fi ti} field and pressing "Split" yo=
u
> can prettify the text like this:
> 1a. Spaces are inserted where needed thus {lonu} is turned into {lo  nu}.
> 1b. Lujvo are unwrapped into {zei}-lujvo thus {muvgau} is turned into
> {muvdu zei gasnu}. This makes the text easier to read for beginners.
> 1c. However, for SE-lujvo only spaces are added: {selterselcpedu} is
> turned into {se te se cpedu} since we assume that they mean the same.
> So instead of {minelci lonu do muvgau lo jubme} you get {mi nelci lo nu d=
o
> muvdu zei gasnu lo jubme} - the output is prettified.
>
> 2. By pressing "anji ( =E6=BC=A2=E5=AD=97 )" the same is done but the tex=
t is additionally
> hanzi-fied.
>
> The conversion dictionary isn't yet complete so we are waiting for more
> suggestions from you of hanzi correspondences for Lojban words.
>
> 3. Additionally various buttons for searching in jbovlaste (live Lojban
> dictionary) and La Bangu (revised) dictionary are added, English
> dictionaries for other languages like Laadan, toki pona and Loglan are
> supported.
> 4. It's possible to get the output of the main syntactic parsers:
> camxes.js, jbofi'e and YACC.
> 5. An alpha-stage Loglan-Lojban converter is available.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Must be broken.=C2=A0 Entered &quot;bisli vamtu&quot; in t=
he first box, pressed the Loglan&lt;lojban button, and got back the same st=
ring &quot;bisli vamtu&quot;.<div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa</div><div><br></di=
v></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, A=
pr 1, 2015 at 4:19 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com=
</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">S=
ome people complained that although the spelling in Lojban is very easy to =
grasp the grammar is not.<div><br></div><div>So the committee for the devel=
opment of Lojban (BPFK) decided to fix this issue and to make the spelling =
hard as well.</div><div>Especially for those people who are not familiar wi=
th hanzi (Chinese characters).</div><div><br></div><div>This is how Lojban =
writing will look like from now on:</div><div><br></div><div>&quot;=E6=88=
=91 =E7=88=B1 =E4=BD=A0&quot; - new spelling.</div><div>&quot;I love you&qu=
ot; - meaning.<br></div><div><div>&quot;mi prami do&quot; - old spelling.</=
div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>&quot;=E8=80=85 =E7=8C=AB=
 =E6=98=AF =E5=96=9D =E8=80=85 =E4=B9=B3&quot; - new spelling.</div></div><=
div>&quot;A cat drinks milk&quot; - meaning.<br></div><div><div>&quot;lo ml=
atu cu pinxe lo ladru&quot; - old spelling.</div></div><div><br></div><div>=
<br></div><div>Those who can read hanzi have already laughed at it.</div><d=
iv>But let&#39;s stop giggling and start getting used to it.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>A. Every root verb (gismu) is mapped to one hanzi or a combinati=
on =C2=A0of two hanzi.</div><div>B. Every verb made of affixes (lujvo) is c=
reated by joining gismu (verbs corresponding to each affix) together using =
&quot;-&quot;.</div><div>C. particles (cmavo) also have corresponding hanzi=
.</div><div>Words are separated with spaces.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I=
 created a tool La Naxle</div><div><a href=3D"http://vrici.lojban.org/~glek=
i/mediawiki-1.19.2/extensions/ilmentufa/ircbot/naxle.html" target=3D"_blank=
">http://vrici.lojban.org/~gleki/mediawiki-1.19.2/extensions/ilmentufa/ircb=
ot/naxle.html</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>It can do several things:</d=
iv><div>1. By entering a text into {ko ciska fi ti} field and pressing &quo=
t;Split&quot; you can prettify the text like this:</div><div>1a. Spaces are=
 inserted where needed thus {lonu} is turned into {lo =C2=A0nu}.</div><div>=
1b. Lujvo are unwrapped into {zei}-lujvo thus {muvgau} is turned into {muvd=
u zei gasnu}. This makes the text easier to read for beginners.</div><div>1=
c. However, for SE-lujvo only spaces are added: {selterselcpedu} is turned =
into {se te se cpedu} since we assume that they mean the same.</div><div>So=
 instead of {minelci lonu do muvgau lo jubme} you get {mi nelci lo nu do mu=
vdu zei gasnu lo jubme} - the output is prettified.</div><div><br></div><di=
v>2. By pressing &quot;anji ( =E6=BC=A2=E5=AD=97 )&quot; the same is done b=
ut the text is additionally hanzi-fied.</div><div><br></div><div>The conver=
sion dictionary isn&#39;t yet complete so we are waiting for more suggestio=
ns from you of hanzi correspondences for Lojban words.</div><div><br></div>=
<div>3. Additionally various buttons for searching in jbovlaste (live Lojba=
n dictionary) and La Bangu (revised) dictionary are added, English dictiona=
ries for other languages like Laadan, toki pona and Loglan are supported.</=
div><div>4. It&#39;s possible to get the output of the main syntactic parse=
rs: camxes.js, jbofi&#39;e and YACC.</div><div>5. An alpha-stage Loglan-Loj=
ban converter is available.</div></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=
=3D"#888888">

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