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[2a00:1450:400c:c05::232]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c8si1204600wiw.1.2015.04.01.06.59.59 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Apr 2015 06:59:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::232 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::232; Received: by mail-wi0-x232.google.com with SMTP id m2so36272589wix.0 for ; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 06:59:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.73.228 with SMTP id o4mr15553089wiv.74.1427896799287; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 06:59:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.240.197 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 06:59:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 16:59:39 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban changes to hanzi writing system To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043893cd7f641f0512aa21d0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::232 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - --f46d043893cd7f641f0512aa21d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2015-04-01 16:41 GMT+03:00 Michael Turniansky : > Must be broken. Entered "bisli vamtu" in the first box, pressed the > Loglan Indeed, broken. I just tried entering {lunra tricu} and got the same in both directions :/ --gejyspa > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 4:19 AM, Gleki Arxokuna > wrote: > >> Some people complained that although the spelling in Lojban is very easy >> to grasp the grammar is not. >> >> So the committee for the development of Lojban (BPFK) decided to fix thi= s >> issue and to make the spelling hard as well. >> Especially for those people who are not familiar with hanzi (Chinese >> characters). >> >> This is how Lojban writing will look like from now on: >> >> "=E6=88=91 =E7=88=B1 =E4=BD=A0" - new spelling. >> "I love you" - meaning. >> "mi prami do" - old spelling. >> >> >> "=E8=80=85 =E7=8C=AB =E6=98=AF =E5=96=9D =E8=80=85 =E4=B9=B3" - new spel= ling. >> "A cat drinks milk" - meaning. >> "lo mlatu cu pinxe lo ladru" - old spelling. >> >> >> Those who can read hanzi have already laughed at it. >> But let's stop giggling and start getting used to it. >> >> A. Every root verb (gismu) is mapped to one hanzi or a combination of >> two hanzi. >> B. Every verb made of affixes (lujvo) is created by joining gismu (verbs >> corresponding to each affix) together using "-". >> C. particles (cmavo) also have corresponding hanzi. >> Words are separated with spaces. >> >> I created a tool La Naxle >> >> http://vrici.lojban.org/~gleki/mediawiki-1.19.2/extensions/ilmentufa/irc= bot/naxle.html >> >> It can do several things: >> 1. By entering a text into {ko ciska fi ti} field and pressing "Split" >> you can prettify the text like this: >> 1a. Spaces are inserted where needed thus {lonu} is turned into {lo nu}= . >> 1b. Lujvo are unwrapped into {zei}-lujvo thus {muvgau} is turned into >> {muvdu zei gasnu}. This makes the text easier to read for beginners. >> 1c. However, for SE-lujvo only spaces are added: {selterselcpedu} is >> turned into {se te se cpedu} since we assume that they mean the same. >> So instead of {minelci lonu do muvgau lo jubme} you get {mi nelci lo nu >> do muvdu zei gasnu lo jubme} - the output is prettified. >> >> 2. By pressing "anji ( =E6=BC=A2=E5=AD=97 )" the same is done but the te= xt is >> additionally hanzi-fied. >> >> The conversion dictionary isn't yet complete so we are waiting for more >> suggestions from you of hanzi correspondences for Lojban words. >> >> 3. Additionally various buttons for searching in jbovlaste (live Lojban >> dictionary) and La Bangu (revised) dictionary are added, English >> dictionaries for other languages like Laadan, toki pona and Loglan are >> supported. >> 4. It's possible to get the output of the main syntactic parsers: >> camxes.js, jbofi'e and YACC. >> 5. 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2015-04-01 16:41 GMT+03:00 Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.c= om>:
Must be broken.=C2= =A0 Entered "bisli vamtu" in the first box, pressed the Loglan<= ;lojban button, and got back the same string "bisli vamtu".
=

Indeed, broken. I just tried entering {lun= ra tricu} and got the same in both directions :/

=C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa


On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 4:19 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <glek= i.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Some people complained that altho= ugh the spelling in Lojban is very easy to grasp the grammar is not.
So the committee for the development of Lojban (BPFK) decided = to fix this issue and to make the spelling hard as well.
Especial= ly for those people who are not familiar with hanzi (Chinese characters).

This is how Lojban writing will look like from now = on:

"=E6=88=91 =E7=88=B1 =E4=BD=A0" - ne= w spelling.
"I love you" - meaning.
= "mi prami do" - old spelling.


=
"=E8=80=85 =E7=8C=AB =E6=98=AF =E5=96=9D =E8=80=85 =E4= =B9=B3" - new spelling.
"A cat drinks milk" = - meaning.
"lo mlatu cu pinxe lo ladru" - old = spelling.


Those who can read = hanzi have already laughed at it.
But let's stop giggling and= start getting used to it.

A. Every root verb (gis= mu) is mapped to one hanzi or a combination =C2=A0of two hanzi.
B= . Every verb made of affixes (lujvo) is created by joining gismu (verbs cor= responding to each affix) together using "-".
C. partic= les (cmavo) also have corresponding hanzi.
Words are separated wi= th spaces.

I created a tool La Naxle
http://vrici.lojban.org/~gleki/m= ediawiki-1.19.2/extensions/ilmentufa/ircbot/naxle.html
It can do several things:
1. By entering a text into= {ko ciska fi ti} field and pressing "Split" you can prettify the= text like this:
1a. Spaces are inserted where needed thus {lonu}= is turned into {lo =C2=A0nu}.
1b. Lujvo are unwrapped into {zei}= -lujvo thus {muvgau} is turned into {muvdu zei gasnu}. This makes the text = easier to read for beginners.
1c. However, for SE-lujvo only spac= es are added: {selterselcpedu} is turned into {se te se cpedu} since we ass= ume that they mean the same.
So instead of {minelci lonu do muvga= u lo jubme} you get {mi nelci lo nu do muvdu zei gasnu lo jubme} - the outp= ut is prettified.

2. By pressing "anji ( =E6= =BC=A2=E5=AD=97 )" the same is done but the text is additionally hanzi= -fied.

The conversion dictionary isn't yet com= plete so we are waiting for more suggestions from you of hanzi corresponden= ces for Lojban words.

3. Additionally various butt= ons for searching in jbovlaste (live Lojban dictionary) and La Bangu (revis= ed) dictionary are added, English dictionaries for other languages like Laa= dan, toki pona and Loglan are supported.
4. It's possible to = get the output of the main syntactic parsers: camxes.js, jbofi'e and YA= CC.
5. An alpha-stage Loglan-Lojban converter is available.
=

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