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[192.99.166.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id z4si394634qcf.0.2015.04.01.08.28.58 for ; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 08:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of tsani@mail.jerrington.me designates 192.99.166.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=192.99.166.45; Received: from [10.0.0.245] (unknown [108.161.119.144]) by jerrington.me (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3B141142F7D for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 11:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <551C10DB.4020904@mail.jerrington.me> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 11:38:03 -0400 From: Jacob Errington User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban changes to hanzi writing system References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Original-Sender: tsani@mail.jerrington.me X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of tsani@mail.jerrington.me designates 192.99.166.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=tsani@mail.jerrington.me Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - On 04/01/2015 04:19 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > Some people complained that although the spelling in Lojban is very easy > to grasp the grammar is not. > > So the committee for the development of Lojban (BPFK) decided to fix > this issue and to make the spelling hard as well. > Especially for those people who are not familiar with hanzi (Chinese > characters). > > This is how Lojban writing will look like from now on: > > "=E6=88=91 =E7=88=B1 =E4=BD=A0" - new spelling. > "I love you" - meaning. > "mi prami do" - old spelling. > > > "=E8=80=85 =E7=8C=AB =E6=98=AF =E5=96=9D =E8=80=85 =E4=B9=B3" - new spell= ing. > "A cat drinks milk" - meaning. > "lo mlatu cu pinxe lo ladru" - old spelling. > > > Those who can read hanzi have already laughed at it. > But let's stop giggling and start getting used to it. > > A. Every root verb (gismu) is mapped to one hanzi or a combination of > two hanzi. > B. Every verb made of affixes (lujvo) is created by joining gismu (verbs > corresponding to each affix) together using "-". > C. particles (cmavo) also have corresponding hanzi. > Words are separated with spaces. > > I created a tool La Naxle > http://vrici.lojban.org/~gleki/mediawiki-1.19.2/extensions/ilmentufa/ircb= ot/naxle.html > > It can do several things: > 1. By entering a text into {ko ciska fi ti} field and pressing "Split" > you can prettify the text like this: > 1a. Spaces are inserted where needed thus {lonu} is turned into {lo nu}. > 1b. Lujvo are unwrapped into {zei}-lujvo thus {muvgau} is turned into > {muvdu zei gasnu}. This makes the text easier to read for beginners. > 1c. However, for SE-lujvo only spaces are added: {selterselcpedu} is > turned into {se te se cpedu} since we assume that they mean the same. > So instead of {minelci lonu do muvgau lo jubme} you get {mi nelci lo nu > do muvdu zei gasnu lo jubme} - the output is prettified. > > 2. By pressing "anji ( =E6=BC=A2=E5=AD=97 )" the same is done but the tex= t is > additionally hanzi-fied. > > The conversion dictionary isn't yet complete so we are waiting for more > suggestions from you of hanzi correspondences for Lojban words. > > 3. Additionally various buttons for searching in jbovlaste (live Lojban > dictionary) and La Bangu (revised) dictionary are added, English > dictionaries for other languages like Laadan, toki pona and Loglan are > supported. > 4. It's possible to get the output of the main syntactic parsers: > camxes.js, jbofi'e and YACC. > 5. An alpha-stage Loglan-Lojban converter is available. > .i ja'a ku mi nelci lo ro nu do xavma'i djedi bo pamoi xamsku .i ki'e jai gau se cmila be mi .i mi'e la tsani mu'o --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.