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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 10:42:32 +0300
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Subject: [lojban] JVS limitations on entering word combinations impede Lojban development
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*Not very relevant to BPFK (the committe for the development of Lojban)
work.
*But very relevant to how Lojbanists begin to act due to jbovlaste's (JVS)
purely technical limitations:

1. {lo ve'i cmana} = hill
2. {lo ve'u xamsi} = ocean
3. {lo ba'o presidente} = ex-president. Or {lo ba'o jatna} if you prefer
only core wordlist.

Got that? Every English translation is one word!

JVS doesn't allow adding {TAG BRIVLA} to the dictionary which partially
explains why lujvo became so popular (of course enforced by the initial
noralujv list and notes in gimste).

Clearly, this second non-lujvo way exists but it can't compete with lujvo
way since one cannot add {ve'u xamsi} to the dictionary but one can and
already did add {braxamsi} to it.
*Not adding words to jbovlaste dooms them to oblivion in IRC or mailing
list logs.*

Tatoeba.org is free from these limitations. I'm thinking of creating more
usable tools to search in its up-to-date dumps (again a purely technical
issue).

However, just note that technical issues can potentially change human
behavior even if the product (=Lojban here) is much more powerful than what
its auxiliary tools (=JVS) think.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">*Not very relevant to BPFK (the committe for the developme=
nt of Lojban) work.<div>*But very relevant to how Lojbanists begin to act d=
ue to jbovlaste&#39;s (JVS) purely technical limitations:<br><br>1. {lo ve&=
#39;i cmana} =3D hill<div>2. {lo ve&#39;u xamsi} =3D ocean</div><div>3. {lo=
 ba&#39;o presidente} =3D ex-president. Or {lo ba&#39;o jatna} if you prefe=
r only core wordlist.</div><div><br></div><div>Got that? Every English tran=
slation is one word!</div><div><br></div><div>JVS doesn&#39;t allow adding =
{TAG BRIVLA} to the dictionary which partially explains why lujvo became so=
 popular (of course enforced by the initial noralujv list and notes in gims=
te).</div><div><br></div><div>Clearly, this second non-lujvo way exists but=
 it can&#39;t compete with lujvo way since one cannot add {ve&#39;u xamsi} =
to the dictionary but one can and already did add {braxamsi} to it.<br></di=
v><div><b>Not adding words to jbovlaste dooms them to oblivion in IRC or ma=
iling list logs.</b></div><div><br></div><div>Tatoeba.org is free from thes=
e limitations. I&#39;m thinking of creating more usable tools to search in =
its up-to-date dumps (again a purely technical issue).</div><div><br></div>=
<div>However, just note that technical issues can potentially change human =
behavior even if the product (=3DLojban here) is much more powerful than wh=
at its auxiliary tools (=3DJVS) think.</div></div></div>

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