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[2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22a]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v1si1024098igk.0.2015.04.15.07.28.09 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Apr 2015 07:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22a as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22a; Received: by mail-oi0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id o83so24146549oik.1 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 07:28:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.202.98.137 with SMTP id w131mr6987225oib.96.1429108061094; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 07:27:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.202.232.211 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 07:27:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4144143.LNURNV54kV@caracal> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 10:27:10 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] star (shape) To: lojban@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ccaec53c9b40513c42642 X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22a as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - --001a113ccaec53c9b40513c42642 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Gleki, you said "Anyway, I can't see any language that would distinguish them probably because human eye sees every star in the sky except the Sun with protrusions i.e. as a "star polygon"." I disagree. I would say that people see NO star (or planet) as having protrusions. They're just bright points. Camera/photographic artifacts do add points sometimes. stevo On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:28 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > > 2015-04-15 7:39 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat : > >> The word "star" is polysemous: >> 1. a heavenly body that emits light; >> 2. a non-convex shape that has a point from which all the inside can be >> seen; >> 3. a chief or excellent performer. >> Sense 1 is {tarci}. Sense 3 could be expressed by a lujvo, which I won't >> worry >> about right now. Sense 2, I think, deserves a gismu, but doesn't have one. >> >> I think that sense 2 deserves a gismu because it appears in several >> compounds: >> > > Definition: x1 is a star non-convex polygon with x2 (number) regular > pointy protrusions and x2 indentations. > > Or should we use a separate brivla for x2 to parallel other geometrical > mostly one-place brivla (ignoring "material" places)? > Or put it another way should geometry brivla parallel each other in their > place structure? > A separate question how do we define star being a regular one? Using > {kubli}, right? > > Anyway, I can't see any language that would distinguish them probably > because human eye sees every star in the sky except the Sun with > protrusions i.e. as a "star polygon". > > {stela} and {estrela} come to mind but they are taken by semantics of > {tarci} so it's be impolite to steal them. {stelatai} maybe. > > Asterisk would be probably {astrisko}. > > Also I can't find a word for "celestial body" in general like > "planet/star/dwarf planet/comet", {se kensa} is probably enough but {astro} > hasnt been taken by anything yet. > > > > >> starfish, star-nosed mole, stellated polyhedron. What do you think? What >> would >> be a good word for it? >> > > Something that would have mnemonic power but wouldn't be a false friend. > E.g. in Esperanto they usually change a vowel or a consonant so that two > meanings get separated. > >> >> Pierre >> -- >> Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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Gleki, you said "Anyway, I can't see any l= anguage that would distinguish them probably because human eye sees every s= tar in the sky except the Sun with protrusions i.e. as a "star polygon= "."

I disagree. I woul= d say that people see NO star (or planet) as having protrusions. They'r= e just bright points. Camera/photographic artifacts do add points sometimes= .=C2=A0

stevo
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On Wed, Apr 15, 2= 015 at 2:28 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>= ; wrote:


2015= -04-15 7:39 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;pa= dding-left:1ex">The word "star" is polysemous:
1. a heavenly body that emits light;
2. a non-convex shape that has a point from which all the inside can be see= n;
3. a chief or excellent performer.
Sense 1 is {tarci}. Sense 3 could be expressed by a lujvo, which I won'= t worry
about right now. Sense 2, I think, deserves a gismu, but doesn't have o= ne.

I think that sense 2 deserves a gismu because it appears in several compoun= ds:

Definition: x1 is a star non-conve= x polygon with x2 (number) regular pointy protrusions and x2 indentations.<= br>
Or should we use a separate brivla for x2 to parallel other geometri= cal mostly one-place brivla (ignoring "material" places)?
Or p= ut it another way should geometry brivla parallel each other in their place= structure?
A separate question how do we define star being a regular on= e? Using {kubli}, right?

Anyway, I can't see any language that w= ould distinguish them probably because human eye sees every star in the sky= except the Sun with protrusions i.e. as a "star polygon".
{stela} and {estrela} come to mind but they are taken by semantics of {tar= ci} so it's be impolite to steal them. {stelatai} maybe.

Asteris= k would be probably {astrisko}.

Also I can't find a word for &qu= ot;celestial body" in general like "planet/star/dwarf planet/come= t", {se kensa} is probably enough but {astro} hasnt been taken by anyt= hing yet.


=C2=A0
starfish, star-nosed mole, stellated polyhedron. What do you think? What wo= uld
be a good word for it?

Something= that would =C2=A0have mnemonic power but wouldn't be a false friend. E= .g. in Esperanto they usually change a vowel or a consonant so that two mea= nings get separated.

Pierre
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