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[2a00:1450:400c:c00::234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bc3si790495wib.2.2015.04.15.07.30.47 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Apr 2015 07:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::234; Received: by mail-wg0-x234.google.com with SMTP id o15so49069771wgy.2 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 07:30:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.81.200 with SMTP id c8mr41742662wiy.49.1429108247706; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 07:30:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.240.197 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 07:30:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4144143.LNURNV54kV@caracal> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 17:30:27 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] star (shape) To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043bdb087344ec0513c4313d X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - --f46d043bdb087344ec0513c4313d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2015-04-15 17:27 GMT+03:00 MorphemeAddict : > Gleki, you said "Anyway, I can't see any language that would distinguish > them probably because human eye sees every star in the sky except the Sun > with protrusions i.e. as a "star polygon"." > > I disagree. I would say that people see NO star (or planet) as having > protrusions. They're just bright points. Camera/photographic artifacts do > add points sometimes. > No, human eye does see them with protrusions. Camera obviously doesn't. Human eye sees them that way. That's how it is constructed. > > stevo > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:28 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < > gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> 2015-04-15 7:39 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat : >> >>> The word "star" is polysemous: >>> 1. a heavenly body that emits light; >>> 2. a non-convex shape that has a point from which all the inside can be >>> seen; >>> 3. a chief or excellent performer. >>> Sense 1 is {tarci}. Sense 3 could be expressed by a lujvo, which I won't >>> worry >>> about right now. Sense 2, I think, deserves a gismu, but doesn't have >>> one. >>> >>> I think that sense 2 deserves a gismu because it appears in several >>> compounds: >>> >> >> Definition: x1 is a star non-convex polygon with x2 (number) regular >> pointy protrusions and x2 indentations. >> >> Or should we use a separate brivla for x2 to parallel other geometrical >> mostly one-place brivla (ignoring "material" places)? >> Or put it another way should geometry brivla parallel each other in their >> place structure? >> A separate question how do we define star being a regular one? Using >> {kubli}, right? >> >> Anyway, I can't see any language that would distinguish them probably >> because human eye sees every star in the sky except the Sun with >> protrusions i.e. as a "star polygon". >> >> {stela} and {estrela} come to mind but they are taken by semantics of >> {tarci} so it's be impolite to steal them. {stelatai} maybe. >> >> Asterisk would be probably {astrisko}. >> >> Also I can't find a word for "celestial body" in general like >> "planet/star/dwarf planet/comet", {se kensa} is probably enough but {astro} >> hasnt been taken by anything yet. >> >> >> >> >>> starfish, star-nosed mole, stellated polyhedron. What do you think? What >>> would >>> be a good word for it? >>> >> >> Something that would have mnemonic power but wouldn't be a false friend. >> E.g. in Esperanto they usually change a vowel or a consonant so that two >> meanings get separated. >> >>> >>> Pierre >>> -- >>> Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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2015-04-15 17:27 GMT+03:00 MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>:
Gleki, you said "Anyway, I ca= n't see any language that would distinguish them probably because human= eye sees every star in the sky except the Sun with protrusions i.e. as a &= quot;star polygon"."

I disagree. I would say that people see NO star (= or planet) as having protrusions. They're just bright points. Camera/ph= otographic artifacts do add points sometimes.=C2=A0

No, human eye does see them with protrusions. C= amera obviously doesn't.
Human eye sees them that way. That&#= 39;s how it is constructed.
=C2=A0

stevo

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 a= t 2:28 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2015-04-15 7:39 GMT+= 03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:
= The word "star" is polysemous:
1. a heavenly body that emits light;
2. a non-convex shape that has a point from which all the inside can be see= n;
3. a chief or excellent performer.
Sense 1 is {tarci}. Sense 3 could be expressed by a lujvo, which I won'= t worry
about right now. Sense 2, I think, deserves a gismu, but doesn't have o= ne.

I think that sense 2 deserves a gismu because it appears in several compoun= ds:

Definition: x1 is a star non-conve= x polygon with x2 (number) regular pointy protrusions and x2 indentations.<= br>
Or should we use a separate brivla for x2 to parallel other geometri= cal mostly one-place brivla (ignoring "material" places)?
Or p= ut it another way should geometry brivla parallel each other in their place= structure?
A separate question how do we define star being a regular on= e? Using {kubli}, right?

Anyway, I can't see any language that w= ould distinguish them probably because human eye sees every star in the sky= except the Sun with protrusions i.e. as a "star polygon".
{stela} and {estrela} come to mind but they are taken by semantics of {tar= ci} so it's be impolite to steal them. {stelatai} maybe.

Asteris= k would be probably {astrisko}.

Also I can't find a word for &qu= ot;celestial body" in general like "planet/star/dwarf planet/come= t", {se kensa} is probably enough but {astro} hasnt been taken by anyt= hing yet.


=C2=A0
starfish, star-nosed mole, stellated polyhedron. What do you think? What wo= uld
be a good word for it?

Something= that would =C2=A0have mnemonic power but wouldn't be a false friend. E= .g. in Esperanto they usually change a vowel or a consonant so that two mea= nings get separated.

Pierre
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