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2015-04-16 6:18 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:

> On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 09:28:38 Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> > Definition: x1 is a star non-convex polygon with x2 (number) regular
> pointy
> > protrusions and x2 indentations.
> >
> > Or should we use a separate brivla for x2 to parallel other geometrical
> > mostly one-place brivla (ignoring "material" places)?
> > Or put it another way should geometry brivla parallel each other in the=
ir
> > place structure?
> > A separate question how do we define star being a regular one? Using
> > {kubli}, right?
>
> There are various senses of "regular" in mathematics, some of which are
> better
> expressed by {dikni}. In this case, a 6-pointed star cu dikni fi lo
> julra'o be
> li 60 gi'enai kubli. A 5-pointed star could be said to kubli, if drawn
> with 5
> segments; in some interpretation the number of sides is 2.5.
>
> > Anyway, I can't see any language that would distinguish them probably
> > because human eye sees every star in the sky except the Sun with
> > protrusions i.e. as a "star polygon".
>
> I checked Wiktionary. All the natlang words referring to the star shape a=
re
> also words for stars in the sky.


ti'e in Farsi =D9=86=D8=AC=D9=85=D9=87 and =D8=B3=D8=AA=D8=A7=D8=B1=D9=87  =
have this distinction.

This is not true of movie stars (e.g.
> vedette).
>


>
> > {stela} and {estrela} come to mind but they are taken by semantics of
> > {tarci} so it's be impolite to steal them. {stelatai} maybe.
>
> We can't use {stela} unless we take {ckiku} to it.
>
> > Asterisk would be probably {astrisko}.
>
> I've seen {tarci bu}. We could also use {<name of the star shape> bu},
> once we
> decide what to call the star shape.
>
> > Also I can't find a word for "celestial body" in general like
> > "planet/star/dwarf planet/comet", {se kensa} is probably enough but
> {astro}
> > hasnt been taken by anything yet.
>
> {astro} sounds good. However, {astra} is already entered as a plant of th=
e
> genus Aster.
>
> Pierre
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2015-04-16 6:18 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:phma@bezitopo.org" target=3D"_blank">phma@bezitopo.org</a>&gt;</spa=
n>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:=
solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 09:28=
:38 Gleki Arxokuna wrote:<br>
&gt; Definition: x1 is a star non-convex polygon with x2 (number) regular p=
ointy<br>
&gt; protrusions and x2 indentations.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Or should we use a separate brivla for x2 to parallel other geometrica=
l<br>
&gt; mostly one-place brivla (ignoring &quot;material&quot; places)?<br>
&gt; Or put it another way should geometry brivla parallel each other in th=
eir<br>
&gt; place structure?<br>
&gt; A separate question how do we define star being a regular one? Using<b=
r>
&gt; {kubli}, right?<br>
<br>
</span>There are various senses of &quot;regular&quot; in mathematics, some=
 of which are better<br>
expressed by {dikni}. In this case, a 6-pointed star cu dikni fi lo julra&#=
39;o be<br>
li 60 gi&#39;enai kubli. A 5-pointed star could be said to kubli, if drawn =
with 5<br>
segments; in some interpretation the number of sides is 2.5.<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt; Anyway, I can&#39;t see any language that would distinguish them proba=
bly<br>
&gt; because human eye sees every star in the sky except the Sun with<br>
&gt; protrusions i.e. as a &quot;star polygon&quot;.<br>
<br>
</span>I checked Wiktionary. All the natlang words referring to the star sh=
ape are<br>
also words for stars in the sky.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>ti&#39;e i=
n Farsi =D9=86=D8=AC=D9=85=D9=87 and =D8=B3=D8=AA=D8=A7=D8=B1=D9=87=C2=A0 h=
ave this distinction.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:=
rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> This is not tru=
e of movie stars (e.g.<br>
vedette).<br></blockquote><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color=
:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt; {stela} and {estrela} come to mind but they are taken by semantics of<=
br>
&gt; {tarci} so it&#39;s be impolite to steal them. {stelatai} maybe.<br>
<br>
</span>We can&#39;t use {stela} unless we take {ckiku} to it.<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt; Asterisk would be probably {astrisko}.<br>
<br>
</span>I&#39;ve seen {tarci bu}. We could also use {&lt;name of the star sh=
ape&gt; bu}, once we<br>
decide what to call the star shape.<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt; Also I can&#39;t find a word for &quot;celestial body&quot; in general=
 like<br>
&gt; &quot;planet/star/dwarf planet/comet&quot;, {se kensa} is probably eno=
ugh but {astro}<br>
&gt; hasnt been taken by anything yet.<br>
<br>
</span>{astro} sounds good. However, {astra} is already entered as a plant =
of the<br>
genus Aster.<br>
<span class=3D""><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Pierre<br>
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J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada.<br>
</font></span><div class=3D""><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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