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On Friday, April 17, 2015 09:14:52 Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> I need a table with two columns: ISO name of country, local name of
> country, local name of country in IPA, Lojbanized name of country.
>=20
> The second and third column is to be sure the Lojbanization is done
> correctly so that no rants appear. The fourth column could be done
> automatically.

Some countries have more than one local name, and for some countries the=20
Lojban name is not made by spelling the local name in Lojban letters.

Nagorno-Karabakh has several local languages. The "Karabakh" part (which me=
ans=20
"black garden") is nearly invariable, but the "Nagorno" part appears as=20
"Le=E1=B9=99nayin" in Armenian, "Nagornyy" in Russian, and "Da=C4=9Fl=C4=B1=
q" in Azeri. In=20
Lojban I call it "la poi ma'azva .karab=C3=A1x.".

East Timor is Timor Leste in Portuguese and Tim=C3=B3r Lorosa'e in Tetum. T=
his=20
would be "la .sun.tim=C3=B3r." in Lojban. The Portuguese name is also used =
in other=20
languages. How to Lojbanize it depends on what Portuguese accent you pick. =
It=20
could be "la .tim=C3=B3r.lest.", "la .tim=C3=B3r.lect.", or "la .tim=C3=B3r=
.lectc.". What to=20
do with the consonant cluster at the end, I'm not sure. "lectic" maybe?

Belarus is "la .blabruk." from pre-dotside days. Under dotside, "la .b=C3=
=A9larus."=20
is also valid.

Myanmar was "la .mianmar." until the CGV initial was abolished. That makes =
it=20
"la .mranmar." reflecting the spelling. (Rangoon was respelled Yangon for t=
he=20
same reason. The letter corresponding to =E0=AA=B0 is now pronounced /j/.) =
The brivla=20
form cannot be "mranma" because that's a slinku'i. I suggest "amranma". The=
=20
final 'r' is an artifact of rhotic and non-rhotic dialects of English.

Countries that have a gismu have a cmene based on it. Usually it has "-gug"=
=20
appended, but Egypt is just "la .misr.". "la .frans." appears in a poem in=
=20
Alice, but "la .fasygug." is also in use. (The corpus is down.)

Pierre
--=20
.i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do
.ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga
.icu'u la ma'atman.

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