Received: from mail-qc0-f186.google.com ([209.85.216.186]:34797) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YjIFW-000119-1X for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Apr 2015 19:12:51 -0700 Received: by qcrw7 with SMTP id w7sf25194261qcr.1 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2015 19:12:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=SZbhhyRFwecQZf9//tq7j4Gu56vpxAcr0xB52CE2zwo=; b=cCxX/SueqHtjccSvU/RHwcDh/bt7lZu1EH8iw3gAV2WPZgkI6wi7NTwmQlLT22x1eb 8Dlalxz5yOTd+DPl6LYvWLQpQt5X5tjzFKNd1j0VUTdS/brTeK/jeTq2rvT7ZQOe39G2 jON4P3+TCUzY76c1Oj7HoL4hmaUsPAsewbdSExWD9ia3euKdAVQspcNWv8PcK60x6WCo xtIyWqWBj1yq38waKfP7O62IcRYc9edulX1J0C452nDdFcSyNaQJSDABJgZFZWjGJEKK GeVSzAdp2I3PbJ2MgMzNmGA1KVxCCUuW2gHeM0/AxJDZ4sasMpsQYkvX/eAB2oRKhpP6 7dXA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=SZbhhyRFwecQZf9//tq7j4Gu56vpxAcr0xB52CE2zwo=; b=UXIz9NbXpdZuW/r6lzMAAV12443PXp7Z+x7h/pXOXVFUi+UOGcw6yFyFkrn95UA3It LMemQfCShxd3kNoZsU4RrNJBNGQrilPoI8Kiemf7AQok5zMIQPShoyt/Da+aLUWDIs6R IKD6deaXAV6G6c7o6th6KkfOtDi6tiH9YVyjs+4rM1Nbr4sMnTc6ERqxk7JzfEnTFx9n P3AeeXddz1BDhwkqvuP10i0mdueXLeCbARRRiXuh3Ym6nAhlX90q7HBm2G+nEDalMtvh KTCibtTJlcbGoakFghJFQDtclVDstMUK06LgPkkmJR19hqhp4mw4eIGkWqiaqhEVVPmy dlzQ== X-Received: by 10.50.114.8 with SMTP id jc8mr125471igb.11.1429323163871; Fri, 17 Apr 2015 19:12:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.107.13.147 with SMTP id 141ls109414ion.16.gmail; Fri, 17 Apr 2015 19:12:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.1.43 with SMTP id 11mr125751igj.8.1429323163541; Fri, 17 Apr 2015 19:12:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 19:12:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Browne To: lojban@googlegroups.com Cc: phma@bezitopo.org Message-Id: <16710f0d-7eeb-4bdb-aebd-cc26cc726ec4@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4144143.LNURNV54kV@caracal> References: <4144143.LNURNV54kV@caracal> Subject: [lojban] Re: star (shape) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_1576_197114518.1429323162646" X-Original-Sender: dersaidin@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_bar: - ------=_Part_1576_197114518.1429323162646 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1577_1483920352.1429323162646" ------=_Part_1577_1483920352.1429323162646 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I agree that a star (heavenly body) and a star (shape) are distinct concepts and should have separate words. But in the context of shapes "star" still has multiple meanings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star-shaped_polygon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_polygon What gismu or lujvo would represent these two concepts? Is the second one the first one +dikni ? On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 at 2:39:19 PM UTC+10, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > The word "star" is polysemous: > 1. a heavenly body that emits light; > 2. a non-convex shape that has a point from which all the inside can be > seen; > 3. a chief or excellent performer. > Sense 1 is {tarci}. Sense 3 could be expressed by a lujvo, which I won't > worry > about right now. Sense 2, I think, deserves a gismu, but doesn't have one. > > I think that sense 2 deserves a gismu because it appears in several > compounds: > starfish, star-nosed mole, stellated polyhedron. What do you think? What > would > be a good word for it? > > Pierre > -- > Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_1577_1483920352.1429323162646 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree that a star (heavenly body) and a star (shape) are= distinct concepts and should have separate words.

But i= n the context of shapes "star" still has multiple meanings:
https= ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star-shaped_polygon
https://en.wikipedia= .org/wiki/Star_polygon

What gismu or lujvo wou= ld represent these two concepts?
Is the second one the first one = +dikni ?


On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 at 2:39:19 PM UTC+1= 0, Pierre Abbat wrote:
The word= "star" is polysemous:
1. a heavenly body that emits light;
2. a non-convex shape that has a point from which all the inside can be= seen;
3. a chief or excellent performer.
Sense 1 is {tarci}. Sense 3 could be expressed by a lujvo, which I won'= t worry=20
about right now. Sense 2, I think, deserves a gismu, but doesn't have o= ne.

I think that sense 2 deserves a gismu because it appears in several com= pounds:=20
starfish, star-nosed mole, stellated polyhedron. What do you think? Wha= t would=20
be a good word for it?

Pierre
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Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar.

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