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[2a00:1450:400c:c00::236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p9si237179wiz.3.2015.04.17.22.18.18 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 17 Apr 2015 22:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::236 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::236; Received: by mail-wg0-x236.google.com with SMTP id o17so131524203wgs.1 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2015 22:18:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.231.41 with SMTP id td9mr6908727wic.69.1429334297956; Fri, 17 Apr 2015 22:18:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.240.197 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Apr 2015 22:17:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <16710f0d-7eeb-4bdb-aebd-cc26cc726ec4@googlegroups.com> References: <4144143.LNURNV54kV@caracal> <16710f0d-7eeb-4bdb-aebd-cc26cc726ec4@googlegroups.com> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 08:17:57 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: star (shape) To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1134c5cc1854ff0513f8d36b X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - --001a1134c5cc1854ff0513f8d36b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2015-04-18 5:12 GMT+03:00 Andrew Browne : > I agree that a star (heavenly body) and a star (shape) are distinct > concepts and should have separate words. > > But in the context of shapes "star" still has multiple meanings: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star-shaped_polygon > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_polygon > > What gismu or lujvo would represent these two concepts? > Is the second one the first one +dikni ? > I dot think {dikni} is anywhere enough to express this idea. {kubli li re} is what gimste suggests > > > On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 at 2:39:19 PM UTC+10, Pierre Abbat wrote: >> >> The word "star" is polysemous: >> 1. a heavenly body that emits light; >> 2. a non-convex shape that has a point from which all the inside can be >> seen; >> 3. a chief or excellent performer. >> Sense 1 is {tarci}. Sense 3 could be expressed by a lujvo, which I won't >> worry >> about right now. Sense 2, I think, deserves a gismu, but doesn't have >> one. >> >> I think that sense 2 deserves a gismu because it appears in several >> compounds: >> starfish, star-nosed mole, stellated polyhedron. What do you think? What >> would >> be a good word for it? >> >> Pierre >> -- >> Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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2015-04-18 5:12 GMT+03:00 Andrew Browne <dersaidin@gmail.com&g= t;:
I agree that = a star (heavenly body) and a star (shape) are distinct concepts and should = have separate words.

But in the context of shapes "= star" still has multiple meanings:

What gismu or lujvo would repres= ent these two concepts?
Is the second one the first one +dikni ?<= /div>

I dot think {dikni} is anywhere= enough to express this idea. {kubli li re} is what gimste suggests =C2=A0<= /div>


On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 at 2:39:19 PM UTC+10, Pierre Abb= at wrote:
The word "star" = is polysemous:
1. a heavenly body that emits light;
2. a non-convex shape that has a point from which all the inside can be= seen;
3. a chief or excellent performer.
Sense 1 is {tarci}. Sense 3 could be expressed by a lujvo, which I won&= #39;t worry=20
about right now. Sense 2, I think, deserves a gismu, but doesn't ha= ve one.

I think that sense 2 deserves a gismu because it appears in several com= pounds:=20
starfish, star-nosed mole, stellated polyhedron. What do you think? Wha= t would=20
be a good word for it?

Pierre
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Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar.

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