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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 19:07:42 -0400 Message-ID: <2546915.TWc6tHdnr2@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-48-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <04a2d875-244c-4d13-8720-f2e1f46049f4@googlegroups.com> References: <04a2d875-244c-4d13-8720-f2e1f46049f4@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=none (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - On Saturday, April 18, 2015 16:31:15 iesk wrote: > There are countries with several official names in several languages. The= re > are countries where the official name is in a language not used by the > majority of the locals, and possibly doesn't mean a lot to them. And so o= n. >=20 > I don't think this can be algorithmically solved, or that there is a > linguistically neutral solution that anybody would be happy with. I looked up Bhutan, to make sure that that's the country {drukiulo} refers = to,=20 and found out that it took over a century for Europeans to figure out which= =20 country is called Bhutan. It'll take us a year or probably a few for us to= =20 settle on the Lojban names of countries. > Just for the fun of doing it, I made a little list where I kind of droppe= d > neutrality (as per impossibility of attaining it)=E2=80=94starting from a= n > existing, yet blatantly non-neutral approach at standardisation: > Interlingua. Yes, totally un-Lojbanic. It's not a serious proposal. Anywa= y: > http://mw.lojban.org/papri/File:fuhivla-cou2.ods I'm working on this and will send it back to you. 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