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[2a00:1450:400c:c00::233]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bc3si315151wib.2.2015.05.07.12.09.20 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 07 May 2015 12:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::233 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::233; Received: by mail-wg0-x233.google.com with SMTP id u9so52863088wgi.3 for ; Thu, 07 May 2015 12:09:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.81.200 with SMTP id c8mr154447wiy.49.1431025759930; Thu, 07 May 2015 12:09:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.221.167 with HTTP; Thu, 7 May 2015 12:08:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 22:08:59 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] ASCII letters and keyboard names To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043bdb0815ceb8051582a6b0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::233 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - --f46d043bdb0815ceb8051582a6b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2015-05-07 20:56 GMT+03:00 Michael Turniansky : > I must admit I was surprised when I saw ASCII 32 being called "kunti bu" > rather than "sepli bu" I thought we agreed on that back in 2000 ( see > http://mail.lojban.org/lojban-list/msg14141.html for example), although > the former seems to have been in use since around 2010 or so, so I guess > that's the more "stylish" name for you ki'orna'apre. (Although I probably > would have used "kunti bu" for ASCII 0. Null seems more empty to me than > space does). > {sepli bu} alone for "space" may be fine but when you compare it to "tab" then "tab" may seem more mapti to "fixed space, i.e. separator, because in many cases tab is used to e.g. separate columns of table. {sotkunti bu} seems strange since "few" is not a precise number whereas "tab" takes fixed space. > Also wondering if there was any reason why you left the upper case > letters blank rather than "ga'e a bu [to'a]" etc.... > laziness. feel free to fill. > On a completely sepli OT note, don't confuse sepli.bu with se.plibu > (lo stuzi be me'o denpa bu cu vajni ) > > --gejyspa > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:52 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < > gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Since previously keyboard names and ASCII codes were somewhat mixed >> together I put everything into one table: >> http://mw.lojban.org/papri/ASCII_table_keys_names >> Previous discussions went to: >> http://mw.lojban.org/papri/Talk:ASCII_table_keys_names >> >> Of course, feel free further improve the tables. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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2015-05-07 20:56 GMT+03:00 Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.c= om>:
=C2= =A0 I must admit I was surprised when I saw ASCII 32 being called "kun= ti bu" rather than "sepli bu" =C2=A0 I thought we agreed on = that back in 2000 ( see=C2=A0http://mail.lojban.org/lojban-list/msg1414= 1.html for example), although the former seems to have been in use sinc= e around 2010 or so, so I guess that's the more "stylish" nam= e for you ki'orna'apre. (Although I probably would have used "= kunti bu" for ASCII 0.=C2=A0 Null seems more empty to me than space do= es).

{sepli bu} alone for "space= " may be fine but when you compare it to "tab" then "ta= b" may seem more mapti to "fixed space, i.e. separator, because i= n many cases tab is used to e.g. separate columns of table.
{sotk= unti bu} seems strange since "few" is not a precise number wherea= s "tab" takes fixed space.


=C2=A0 Also wondering if= there was any reason why you left the upper case letters blank rather than= "ga'e a bu [to'a]" etc....
=
laziness. feel free to fill.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 On a= completely sepli OT note, don't confuse sepli.bu with se.plibu (lo stu= zi be me'o denpa bu cu vajni )

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa
=
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 = at 2:52 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Since previously keyboard names and ASCII codes we= re somewhat mixed together I put everything into one table:

Of course, feel free further impro= ve the tables.

=

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