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[2a00:1450:400c:c05::234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t6si38019wiz.0.2015.05.07.12.12.10 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 07 May 2015 12:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::234; Received: by mail-wi0-x234.google.com with SMTP id di4so2964161wid.0 for ; Thu, 07 May 2015 12:12:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.109.229 with SMTP id hv5mr137145wjb.119.1431025930422; Thu, 07 May 2015 12:12:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.221.167 with HTTP; Thu, 7 May 2015 12:11:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 22:11:50 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] ASCII letters and keyboard names To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b60441a3f4e49051582b05a X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7b60441a3f4e49051582b05a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 oh and more note. given that space is almost always sufficient to separate words from each other maybe {valsi bu} for space will fit better? Even for {coi zei coi} we understand that both {coi} and {zei} are words. because indeed {kunti bu} looks extremely hackish. not a very kunti symbol. 2015-05-07 22:08 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > > > 2015-05-07 20:56 GMT+03:00 Michael Turniansky : > >> I must admit I was surprised when I saw ASCII 32 being called "kunti >> bu" rather than "sepli bu" I thought we agreed on that back in 2000 ( see >> http://mail.lojban.org/lojban-list/msg14141.html for example), although >> the former seems to have been in use since around 2010 or so, so I guess >> that's the more "stylish" name for you ki'orna'apre. (Although I probably >> would have used "kunti bu" for ASCII 0. Null seems more empty to me than >> space does). >> > > {sepli bu} alone for "space" may be fine but when you compare it to "tab" > then "tab" may seem more mapti to "fixed space, i.e. separator, because in > many cases tab is used to e.g. separate columns of table. > {sotkunti bu} seems strange since "few" is not a precise number whereas > "tab" takes fixed space. > > >> Also wondering if there was any reason why you left the upper case >> letters blank rather than "ga'e a bu [to'a]" etc.... >> > > laziness. feel free to fill. > > >> On a completely sepli OT note, don't confuse sepli.bu with se.plibu >> (lo stuzi be me'o denpa bu cu vajni ) >> >> --gejyspa >> >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:52 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < >> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Since previously keyboard names and ASCII codes were somewhat mixed >>> together I put everything into one table: >>> http://mw.lojban.org/papri/ASCII_table_keys_names >>> Previous discussions went to: >>> http://mw.lojban.org/papri/Talk:ASCII_table_keys_names >>> >>> Of course, feel free further improve the tables. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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oh and more note. given that space is almost always suffic= ient to separate words from each other maybe {valsi bu} for space will fit = better? Even for {coi zei coi} we understand that both {coi} and {zei} are = words.
because indeed {kunti bu} looks extremely hackish. not a very ku= nti symbol.

2015-05-07 22:08 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name= @gmail.com>:


2015-05-07 20:56 GMT+03:00 Michael Turniansky <= mturniansky@gmai= l.com>:
= =C2=A0 I must admit I was surprised when I saw ASCII 32 being called "= kunti bu" rather than "sepli bu" =C2=A0 I thought we agreed = on that back in 2000 ( see=C2=A0http://mail.lojban.org/lojban-list/msg1= 4141.html for example), although the former seems to have been in use s= ince around 2010 or so, so I guess that's the more "stylish" = name for you ki'orna'apre. (Although I probably would have used &qu= ot;kunti bu" for ASCII 0.=C2=A0 Null seems more empty to me than space= does).

{sepli bu} alone for &= quot;space" may be fine but when you compare it to "tab" the= n "tab" may seem more mapti to "fixed space, i.e. separator,= because in many cases tab is used to e.g. separate columns of table.
=
{sotkunti bu} seems strange since "few" is not a precise num= ber whereas "tab" takes fixed space.
<= br>

=C2=A0 Also wondering if there was any reason why you left the upper case= letters blank rather than "ga'e a bu [to'a]" etc....

laziness. feel free to fill= .


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 On a completely sepli OT note= , don't confuse sepli.bu with se.plibu (lo stuzi be me'o denpa bu c= u vajni )

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0--gejyspa

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:52 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Since previously keyboard = names and ASCII codes were somewhat mixed together I put everything into on= e table:

Of course,= feel free further improve the tables.
<= div>

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