Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 02:48:46 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [lojban] Re: Situation with ISO-fuhivla for countries.
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Yeah, another problem with the ISO ones is that they suffer from the same=
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problem that many philosophical languages (where words are built from a=20
classification system rather than arbitrarily) have, namely, poor error=20
detection/redundancy, especially when spoken. All those little phonemes at=
=20
the end of those words are carrying a lot of disambiguating information;=20
mishearing one of them could have you thinking of an entirely different=20
country, and since it will be used in sentences where you expect to hear a=
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country in, context isn't often much help.

On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 at 8:47:19 PM UTC+8, la gleki wrote:
>
> Compared to the original xorxe's list around 15 countries don't have ISO=
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> now.
>
> E.g. St. Barth=C3=A9lemy was about to get .bl code however it didn't.
>
> Countrees disappear, ISO codes get reassigned. So ISO-fuhivla are driftin=
g=20
> apart from Lojban system.
> I propose=20
> {gugdebulu} for St. Barth=C3=A9lemy
> {gugdebuke} for Caribbean Netherlands
> {gugdecupu} for Clipperton Island
> {gugdecuve} Cura=C3=A7ao
> {gugdedugu} Diego Garcia
> {gugde'e'a} Ceuta & Melilla
> {gugde'e'u} European Union
> {gugde'icu} Canary Islands
> {gugdetu'a} Tristan da Cunha
> {gugdeke'o} Outlying Oceania
> {gugdesusu} South Sudan
> {gugdesuxe} Sint Maarten
> {gugde'umu} U.S. Outlying Islands
> {gugdevu'a} Vatican City
> {gugdexuku} Kosovo
> {gugdesuxe} St. Helena
>
> The situation is somewhat described here:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#Reserved_code_elements
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#User-assigned_code_eleme=
nts
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Yeah, another problem with the ISO ones is that they suffe=
r from the same problem that many philosophical languages (where words are =
built from a classification system rather than arbitrarily) have, namely, p=
oor error detection/redundancy, especially when spoken. All those little ph=
onemes at the end of those words are carrying a lot of disambiguating infor=
mation; mishearing one of them could have you thinking of an entirely diffe=
rent country, and since it will be used in sentences where you expect to he=
ar a country in, context isn't often much help.<br><br>On Wednesday, April =
15, 2015 at 8:47:19 PM UTC+8, la gleki wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;paddi=
ng-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr">Compared to the original xorxe's list aroun=
d 15 countries don't have ISO now.<div><br></div><div>E.g.&nbsp;St. Barth=
=C3=A9lemy was about to get .bl code however it didn't.</div><div><br></div=
><div>Countrees disappear, ISO codes get reassigned. So ISO-fuhivla are dri=
fting apart from Lojban system.</div><div>I propose&nbsp;</div><div>{gugdeb=
ulu} for St. Barth=C3=A9lemy</div><div>{gugdebuke} for&nbsp;Caribbean Nethe=
rlands</div><div>{gugdecupu} for Clipperton Island<br></div><div>{gugdecuve=
}&nbsp;Cura=C3=A7ao</div><div>{gugdedugu} Diego Garcia</div><div>{gugde'e'a=
}&nbsp;Ceuta &amp; Melilla</div><div>{gugde'e'u} European Union<br></div><d=
iv>{gugde'icu} Canary Islands</div><div><div>{gugdetu'a} Tristan da Cunha</=
div></div><div>{gugdeke'o} Outlying Oceania<br></div><div>{gugdesusu} South=
 Sudan</div><div>{gugdesuxe} Sint Maarten</div><div>{gugde'umu}&nbsp;U.S. O=
utlying Islands</div><div>{gugdevu'a} Vatican City</div><div>{gugdexuku} Ko=
sovo</div><div>{gugdesuxe} St. Helena<br></div><div><br></div><div>The situ=
ation is somewhat described here:</div><div><a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia=
.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#Reserved_code_elements" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D'https://www.google.com/url?q\75ht=
tps%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FISO_3166-1_alpha-2%23Reserved_code_el=
ements\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNHk2SmsJc55cRG_MKciUTyPXYL0tQ';ret=
urn true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D'https://www.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%=
2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FISO_3166-1_alpha-2%23Reserved_code_elements\=
46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNHk2SmsJc55cRG_MKciUTyPXYL0tQ';return tru=
e;">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#Reserved_<wbr>cod=
e_elements</a></div><div><a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-=
1_alpha-2#User-assigned_code_elements" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" o=
nmousedown=3D"this.href=3D'https://www.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Fen.=
wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FISO_3166-1_alpha-2%23User-assigned_code_elements\46s=
a\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNHRgncSSaD-NJmVo6xjWQvBiWrXTg';return true;"=
 onclick=3D"this.href=3D'https://www.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Fen.wi=
kipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FISO_3166-1_alpha-2%23User-assigned_code_elements\46sa\=
75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNHRgncSSaD-NJmVo6xjWQvBiWrXTg';return true;">h=
ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#User-<wbr>assigned_cod=
e_elements</a><br></div></div>
</blockquote></div>

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