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Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 18:00:43 +0300
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2015-05-08 17:31 GMT+03:00 v4hn <me@v4hn.de>:

> On Fri, May 08, 2015 at 04:53:42PM +0300, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> > 2015-05-08 15:53 GMT+03:00 Spheniscine <spheniscine@gmail.com>:
> > > Actually Pater Noster is clearly {mi'a}, since the "our" clearly
> doesn't
> > > include the addressee (God/the Father).
> >
> > Who knows, maybe Father is the father of himself.
>
> I'm not a Christian, but is that even a *possible* interpretation?
> It sounds ridiculous to me.
>

Sorry, I'm not an expert. Some say other religions are ridiculous.
Translation can be very important. You wouldn't complaint that 3=1, would
you? Is that more ridiculous?

>
> > Also {ma'a} is possible like e.g. Father not only of Christians but even
> > those who don't believe in Him.
> > [...]
> > {mi'a} would mean here something completely different and for some it may
> > sound egoistic.
>
> Sorry, you lost me. Why wouldn't {mi'a} include others?
> The addressee is clearly the Father, not heathens.
> Both {mi'a} and {ma'a} include "& others unspecified" in their definition.
>


Oops, indeed, my mistake. It should be {mi} (which is also "we") vs. {mi'a}.


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2015-05-08 17:31 GMT+03:00 v4hn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:me@v4hn.de" target=3D"_blank">me@v4hn.de</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">On Fri, May 08, 2015 at 04:53:42PM +0300,=
 Gleki Arxokuna wrote:<br>
&gt; 2015-05-08 15:53 GMT+03:00 Spheniscine &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sphenisci=
ne@gmail.com">spheniscine@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
&gt; &gt; Actually Pater Noster is clearly {mi&#39;a}, since the &quot;our&=
quot; clearly doesn&#39;t<br>
&gt; &gt; include the addressee (God/the Father).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Who knows, maybe Father is the father of himself.<br>
<br>
</span>I&#39;m not a Christian, but is that even a *possible* interpretatio=
n?<br>
It sounds ridiculous to me.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sorry, I=
9;m not an expert. Some say other religions are ridiculous. Translation can=
 be very important. You wouldn&#39;t complaint that 3=3D1, would you? Is th=
at more ridiculous?</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt; Also {ma&#39;a} is possible like e.g. Father not only of Christians bu=
t even<br>
&gt; those who don&#39;t believe in Him.<br>
</span>&gt; [...]<br>
<span class=3D"">&gt; {mi&#39;a} would mean here something completely diffe=
rent and for some it may<br>
&gt; sound egoistic.<br>
<br>
</span>Sorry, you lost me. Why wouldn&#39;t {mi&#39;a} include others?<br>
The addressee is clearly the Father, not heathens.<br>
Both {mi&#39;a} and {ma&#39;a} include &quot;&amp; others unspecified&quot;=
 in their definition.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Oo=
ps, indeed, my mistake. It should be {mi} (which is also &quot;we&quot;) vs=
. {mi&#39;a}.</div><div>=C2=A0<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
v4hn<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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