Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 00:54:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Spheniscine (la zipcpi)" <spheniscine@gmail.com>
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Subject: [lojban] Re: Proposal for new cmavo: {vau'u}
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I'm actually kinda wondering if we would be willing to use our last 
monosyllabic cmavo, {xau}, for this. I actually turn out to use it quite 
often for afterthought attitudinal, due to its relative freedom of context. 
No need to worry about whether {vau} is sufficient or even possible {xau 
a'inai}. That extra syllable might make the difference for how well it is 
accepted among beginners, who often mistakenly attach attitudinals to the 
last word of a sentence.

While we're at it I've had a look at the other xVV cmavo. {xai} seems fine 
and usable. {xei} doesn't see much use, but {rei} really needs a 
replacement, and making it multisyllabic would break the pattern.

But {zo xoi ki'a sai}? Can't make sense of the definition, and I can't see 
how it is useful.

On Sunday, May 10, 2015 at 4:04:48 PM UTC+8, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) wrote:
>
> I think it might be useful to have a new cmavo, {vau'u}, which is in its 
> own selma'o. It would act as a "super famyma'o / super vau"; acting as any 
> number of {vau}s needed to close off a sentence.
>
> Why? Attitudinals, mostly; it'd allow adding attitudinals as an 
> afterthought, attaching it to the entire sentence rather than the last 
> thing in it. {vau} is sufficient for simple sentences (e.g. {do sidju mi 
> vau ui}), but more complex sentences with subclauses at the end may require 
> several {vau}, which just feels wrong. For example
>
> Instead of: {do sidju mi lo nu mi zenba lo ni ricfu vau vau vau ui} 
> You can have: {do sidju mi lo nu mi zenba lo ni ricfu vau'u ui}
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"line-height: 17px;">I'm actually kinda wond=
ering if we would be willing to use our last monosyllabic cmavo, {xau}, for=
 this. I actually turn out to use it quite often for afterthought attitudin=
al, due to its relative freedom of context. No need to worry about whether =
{vau} is sufficient or even possible {xau a'inai}. That extra syllable migh=
t make the difference for how well it is accepted among beginners, who ofte=
n mistakenly attach attitudinals to the last word of a sentence.</span><div=
><span style=3D"line-height: 17px;"><br></span><div>While we're at it I've =
had a look at the other xVV cmavo. {xai} seems fine and usable. {xei} doesn=
't see much use, but {rei} really needs a replacement, and making it multis=
yllabic would break the pattern.</div><div><br></div><div>But {zo xoi ki'a =
sai}? Can't make sense of the definition, and I can't see how it is useful.=
<br><br>On Sunday, May 10, 2015 at 4:04:48 PM UTC+8, Spheniscine (la zipcpi=
) wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0=
.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr">I thi=
nk it might be useful to have a new cmavo, {vau'u}, which is in its own sel=
ma'o. It would act as a "super famyma'o / super vau"; acting as any number =
of {vau}s needed to close off a sentence.<div><br></div><div>Why? Attitudin=
als, mostly; it'd allow adding attitudinals as an afterthought, attaching i=
t to the entire sentence rather than the last thing in it. {vau} is suffici=
ent for simple sentences (e.g. {do sidju mi vau ui}), but more complex sent=
ences with subclauses at the end may require several {vau}, which just feel=
s wrong. For example</div><div><br></div><div>Instead of: {do sidju mi lo n=
u mi zenba lo ni ricfu vau vau vau ui}&nbsp;</div><div>You can have: {do si=
dju mi lo nu mi zenba lo ni ricfu vau'u ui}<br></div></div></blockquote></d=
iv></div></div>

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