Received: from mail-ig0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:33708) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Ys15e-0004Ig-J9 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 20:42:50 -0700 Received: by igam20 with SMTP id m20sf27859243iga.0 for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 20:42:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=JCGz1aP5GgwIJeANhJLlraFMTPrGgUhykb8HKElzsDA=; b=AuAuaTh94E+lruKwB7cTidgH9rvC38Ki0G1nchudUdB/YhX0tjNihjZP1tUp1dV+32 UWJLc45s8e3KsKdrCsbXa/HyG94jG4gHg5GLA1sHXjvpxBXB7iIXPLEM1EERQlpXIpAG 9cG4ty9QvqMfFIXMn3d0U/Pe5HT49/WKqLqbIItI7EAipKileXGUeH1+IBSrXcvmqTFJ AFobOe452WoOmMNfIEldS9qEJLf7QFmZeyOEep5UNkQoBOm9jjyebE/yvCfDLEtYAwHo xgXfUTFtMgrhHx4RlutCfB82Lh/P2l/23NyMEL5IuLUK8Lj1VFEG4h3MHFABZGZiISp8 vKxg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=JCGz1aP5GgwIJeANhJLlraFMTPrGgUhykb8HKElzsDA=; b=XZhJLcCE5yPpLE/6QfJu5YzxG+1vErl0mIiKZb9qq6GJInhftyER7cmevoI3rKCt4R VpgQ9k8nb756EonzkZCGxtbtk0eXLTb5z4uh1n7RMYHCd5FZ0BO964vj8RieIz8lXBUe VpDC2k/Nz0deCSUWhYqtFtDRWdeCzapr3MwlZX0Zvqu3qDKDY8cSlEl1VlF0o88ywrLi AY+gRAqcuYxDYT/J9OpWbFjOLFnmwh0JelM0sXe2e/321Zn49yjfvvvU36k6LggvMRff sxF2bE30dzKAV+Dkl6J/xUDR2Zwp4Lb1gm0bX3kHx13udqVhwc9zRnAGyhPUVXzXr/Vf dobQ== X-Received: by 10.50.13.9 with SMTP id d9mr273173igc.9.1431402156719; Mon, 11 May 2015 20:42:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.107.40.193 with SMTP id o184ls1633823ioo.87.gmail; Mon, 11 May 2015 20:42:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.122.105 with SMTP id lr9mr117154igb.11.1431402156493; Mon, 11 May 2015 20:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 20:42:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Spheniscine (la zipcpi)" To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <6662464c-8f7f-448c-a505-a1f978d9e3e5@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <3a378de3-6fd3-44c1-ae6e-960ef6ee27ea@googlegroups.com> References: <3a378de3-6fd3-44c1-ae6e-960ef6ee27ea@googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Proposal for new cmavo: {vau'u} MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_5995_654966350.1431402155347" X-Original-Sender: spheniscine@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- ------=_Part_5995_654966350.1431402155347 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5996_18269928.1431402155347" ------=_Part_5996_18269928.1431402155347 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 So, any particular objections against allocating {xau} for this proposal? Seriously, I really use it quite often; I feel that the language has been missing a proper, context-free way of including attitudinals (and even other UI-cmavo, like {xu}) as an afterthought. [{ta'o} I just realized that there is still additional unallocated space for monosyllabic cmavo of the form [GVV]; only one allocated right now is {uai}.] If not, I'm adding it to the jbovlaste database, under sub-selma'o UI7 (shared with bu'o). On Sunday, May 10, 2015 at 4:04:48 PM UTC+8, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) wrote: > > I think it might be useful to have a new cmavo, {vau'u}, which is in its > own selma'o. It would act as a "super famyma'o / super vau"; acting as any > number of {vau}s needed to close off a sentence. > > Why? Attitudinals, mostly; it'd allow adding attitudinals as an > afterthought, attaching it to the entire sentence rather than the last > thing in it. {vau} is sufficient for simple sentences (e.g. {do sidju mi > vau ui}), but more complex sentences with subclauses at the end may require > several {vau}, which just feels wrong. For example > > Instead of: {do sidju mi lo nu mi zenba lo ni ricfu vau vau vau ui} > You can have: {do sidju mi lo nu mi zenba lo ni ricfu vau'u ui} > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_5996_18269928.1431402155347 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So, any particular objections against allocating {xau} for= this proposal? Seriously, I really use it quite often; I feel that the lan= guage has been missing a proper, context-free way of including attitudinals= (and even other UI-cmavo, like {xu}) as an afterthought.

[{ta'o} I just realized that there is still additional unallocated space = for monosyllabic cmavo of the form [GVV]; only one allocated right now is {= uai}.]

If not, I'm adding it to the jbovlaste= database, under sub-selma'o UI7 (shared with bu'o).

On Sunday, Ma= y 10, 2015 at 4:04:48 PM UTC+8, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) wrote:
I think it might be useful= to have a new cmavo, {vau'u}, which is in its own selma'o. It would act as= a "super famyma'o / super vau"; acting as any number of {vau}s needed to c= lose off a sentence.

Why? Attitudinals, mostly; it'd all= ow adding attitudinals as an afterthought, attaching it to the entire sente= nce rather than the last thing in it. {vau} is sufficient for simple senten= ces (e.g. {do sidju mi vau ui}), but more complex sentences with subclauses= at the end may require several {vau}, which just feels wrong. For example<= /div>

Instead of: {do sidju mi lo nu mi zenba lo ni ricf= u vau vau vau ui} 
You can have: {do sidju mi lo nu mi zenba= lo ni ricfu vau'u ui}

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