Received: from mail-oi0-f55.google.com ([209.85.218.55]:34778) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Ys8oc-0000J3-AK for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 12 May 2015 04:57:47 -0700 Received: by oiax69 with SMTP id x69sf1028147oia.1 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 04:57:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=iehCe2ht1yi7PXlTFHxIXpO7cssy8K+UqNKIxIa7V7w=; b=Xf5OxRKcal3wXFEhrLGFGhId9TyMkozWzHzK0E7AzH4BmpjBCvHG+2vY7eAjZQb2Kx oSOHcXkub8vY0IagYaMPzxP+vBGPgR4/TkWs66HklHbWyfa079U8HpQbwGKl/DC0icAq WewWqXmk+wZRCPtpGBV9oKc2B3e8MYTE1GphiA45CK0We4t+8w+R4o4mFLgP1FLI4hT2 1A7Y3LWdVhESPMnmrnq735DsCdtOtEUdknMMIGaoqH1G035qPPQQpbiL1awxPCiEOfnp /jZ8qzvvYqm4Cv3fN8HLoQ2Q5WcIXTiPvqhSlWXJQ00w2wVbMIk3uDr5pSyQpAkhvUq6 lrvQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=iehCe2ht1yi7PXlTFHxIXpO7cssy8K+UqNKIxIa7V7w=; b=BpboOE+TeakwF2Usb1XuWftqzSnUhF2ZAgPgw/1Mf+q5V7Hpv47bLCvW3jJ+BT5qFw OowlQjqr3qrp2kFcDNVylCWCovPNfvF0rtbdvh7jRxDj2MmmyltcMG9Kye8QlXGb5jWg Gqby+LbOS4zBI7Kib/moxSXJRHRMXtdgriSldbr1G699NKog41qdN9gkHWVv97TQpblc 4TUuyh1AhTMogbeR/DbszTfogkm7AQN+4KSLAFxZTLQc+ksi2tidcS4nmU/Oa0VuX/Lr C9u6sVcXqKqotsxJSwitchayU2cSwJPUXO/fh3Rg+18FWnZ2TLIMvajR0FE4UzCSpVhG EH2w== X-Received: by 10.50.136.129 with SMTP id qa1mr50280igb.4.1431431852381; Tue, 12 May 2015 04:57:32 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.122.106 with SMTP id lr10ls88610igb.9.gmail; Tue, 12 May 2015 04:57:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.107.105 with SMTP id hb9mr313554igb.3.1431431852139; Tue, 12 May 2015 04:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 04:57:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Spheniscine (la zipcpi)" To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3a378de3-6fd3-44c1-ae6e-960ef6ee27ea@googlegroups.com> References: <3a378de3-6fd3-44c1-ae6e-960ef6ee27ea@googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Proposal for new cmavo: {vau'u} MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_935_1334864200.1431431850961" X-Original-Sender: spheniscine@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- ------=_Part_935_1334864200.1431431850961 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_936_300949191.1431431850961" ------=_Part_936_300949191.1431431850961 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 {ua je'e} Well, I'd still strongly prefer for it to be monosyllabic... perhaps {iau}? On Sunday, May 10, 2015 at 4:04:48 PM UTC+8, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) wrote: > > I think it might be useful to have a new cmavo, {vau'u}, which is in its > own selma'o. It would act as a "super famyma'o / super vau"; acting as any > number of {vau}s needed to close off a sentence. > > Why? Attitudinals, mostly; it'd allow adding attitudinals as an > afterthought, attaching it to the entire sentence rather than the last > thing in it. {vau} is sufficient for simple sentences (e.g. {do sidju mi > vau ui}), but more complex sentences with subclauses at the end may require > several {vau}, which just feels wrong. For example > > Instead of: {do sidju mi lo nu mi zenba lo ni ricfu vau vau vau ui} > You can have: {do sidju mi lo nu mi zenba lo ni ricfu vau'u ui} > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_936_300949191.1431431850961 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
{ua je'e} Well, I'd still strongly prefer for it to be mon= osyllabic... perhaps {iau}?

On Sunday, May 10, 2015 at 4:04:48 PM UT= C+8, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) wrote:
I think it might be useful to have a new cmavo, {vau= 'u}, which is in its own selma'o. It would act as a "super famyma'o / super= vau"; acting as any number of {vau}s needed to close off a sentence.
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Why? Attitudinals, mostly; it'd allow adding attitudinals as = an afterthought, attaching it to the entire sentence rather than the last t= hing in it. {vau} is sufficient for simple sentences (e.g. {do sidju mi vau= ui}), but more complex sentences with subclauses at the end may require se= veral {vau}, which just feels wrong. For example

I= nstead of: {do sidju mi lo nu mi zenba lo ni ricfu vau vau vau ui} 
You can have: {do sidju mi lo nu mi zenba lo ni ricfu vau'u ui}
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